The whole human-vs-extracted descriptions quality question could be fairly easy to test I think:
- Pick, some number of articles at random. - Run them through a description extraction script. - Have a human describe the same articles with, say, the app interface I demo'ed.
If nothing else this exercise could perhaps make what's thus far been a wildly abstract discussion more concrete.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
If having the most elegant description extraction mechanism was the goal I would totally agree ;)
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Dmitry Brant dbrant@wikimedia.org wrote:
IMO, allowing the user to edit the description is a missed opportunity to make the user edit the actual *data*, such that the description is generated correctly.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 8:02 PM, Monte Hurd mhurd@wikimedia.org wrote:
IMO, if the goal is quality, then human curated descriptions are superior until such time as the auto-generation script passes the Turing test ;)
I see these empty descriptions as an amazing opportunity to give *everyone* an easy new way to edit. I whipped an app editing interface up at the Lyon hackathon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VblyGhf_c8
I used it to add a couple hundred descriptions in a single day just by hitting "random" then adding descriptions for articles which didn't have them.
I'd love to try a limited test of this in production to get a sense for how effective human curation can be if the interface is easy to use...
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Jan Ainali jan.ainali@wikimedia.se wrote:
Nice one!
Does not appear to work on svwiki though. Does it have something to do with that the wiki in question does not display that tagline?
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2015-08-18 17:23 GMT+02:00 Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com:
Show automatic description underneath "From Wikipedia...": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js
To use, add: importScript ( 'User:Magnus_Manske/autodesc.js' ) ; to your common.js
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:47 AM Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
It would be even better if this (short: 3 field max) pipe-separated list was available as a gadget to wikidatans on Wikipedia (like me). I can't see if a page I am on has an "instance of" (though it should) and I can see the description thanks to another gadget (sorry no idea which one that is). Often I will update empty descriptions, but if I was served basic fields (so for a painting, the creator field), I would click through to update that too.
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) < nemowiki@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jane Darnell, 15/08/2015 08:53: > >> Yes but even if the descriptions were just the contents of fields >> separated by a pipe it would be better than nothing. >> > > +1, item descriptions are mostly useless in my experience. > > As for "get into production on Wikipedia" I don't know what it > means, I certainly don't like 1) mobile-specific features, 2) overriding > existing manually curated content; but it's good to 3) fill gaps. Mobile > folks often do (1) and (2), if they *instead* did (3) I'd be very happy. :) > > Nemo >
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