Hi everyone,
The MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group (MWStake) [0] is gathering information
from people and organizations who are using MediaWiki for non-Wikimedia
projects. Please provide input at the link below [1] if you use or maintain
a wiki powered by MediaWiki that is not part of a Wikimedia project: for
example, a personal wiki, a wiki or wiki farm for an organization or
company, a wiki for a community group, or a wiki hosting service. Please
answer any questions you find relevant, additionally you may also review,
comment, and endorse the responses from others.
The MediaWiki Stakeholders' Group will collate this information and provide
it to the Wikimedia Foundation Platform Evolution Program team, which is
gathering input from a variety of groups with an interest in MediaWiki.
Your feedback will help frame the Platform Evolution discussions, seeking
to answer open questions, explore governance models, and identify key
MediaWiki features for future development.
[0] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group
[1]
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/TechConf_Inp…
Best Regards,
Bryan Hilderbrand
The MediaWiki Stakeholders is a WMF-affiliated user group made up mostly
of consultants and enterprise-level users of MediaWiki. We held our
meetings monthly.
We hold meetings on the first Friday of every month at 10:30EDT and our
next meeting is on July 6th (https://mwstake.org/mwstake/wiki/Event:72).
>From the etherpad at https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2018-06,
these are the contents of the etherpad that we use for keeping notes for
yesterday's meeting (Friday, June 1):
phab: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/E892
last month: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/mwstake-2018-05
Report:
Barcelona report
Incorporation (Bryan, Frank)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lPT3D2gv3OeSQY8srCn9NYzyEt4KEURMy4lyZ62…
I (Mark) checked about WMF giving funds to 503c6. I haven't yet
(5/12) talked to anyone in grants, but when I applied for the MABS
grant, it explicitly stated:
Are you an incorporated organization able to provide local
proof of nonprofit status within your country? (For-profit
organizations are ineligible to receive grants through the
PEG program.)
This seems to indicate that a 503c6 is acceptable. Additionally,
someone pointed out that WM User Groups like #mwstake are
incorporated in various ways and their affiliation with the WMF
is the important thing. As long as we are not for-profit
(eliminating B-Corp possibility?) then it seems we're in the
clear.
Bryan is working on a mission statement.
As Bryan said: "I'm glad to hear you guys talk about your ideas, and
I'll consolidate...." EACH person attending should have the action
item of writing a brief 500 words (or long if desired) statement of
what they would like to see/gain from collaboration in MWStake (on
User page of MWStake).
It would be helpful of these brief statements address both Mission
and Membership, which are both relevant to the selection of the type
of incorporation or other organizational form.
GOALS / MISSION ideas Who are we? What are we? Our Mission
Statement:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Mission
raise and distribute funds for development of projects/code that are
neglected by WMF, but critical for 3rd parties
raise and manage funds for conferences / marketing /
documentation / or all the non-code activities associated with
technology associations
Remove single point of failure for collection of money
All-volunteer / non-profit; but we want to more formally
organize/manage volunteers (money for membership coordinator +
membership management system (e.g. CiviCRM) + website management
(MWStake.org)
CiviCRM has a similar bug bounty program
Perhaps we should collect our different conceptualizations of the
mission or goals and reconcile them.
Clearing house for trusted consultants (if orgs want to do a
MediaWiki project, MWStake could be the "Angies's List" for
MediaWiki consultants) - Greg (and I've never used Angie's List
either)
Create and run Training / Certification programs for MediaWiki
consultants (grant funded by WMF?) which increases adoption
Full Disclosure: Greg is actively working to grow
eQuality-Technology as a worker-led cooperative to create a
"Super Consulting Firm" for MediaWiki
"Note": I think an organization requires a "board" that has regular
recorded meetings.
Add a layer of representation to other MediaWiki users
Lex's comment on a body that acts like a company's support desk
that can receive money and provides a service
The group can help decide what are the "needed" features or
missing pieces and if the group has money, pay developers to do
this.
There is already a "Mission" of MWStake:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_Stakeholders%27_Group/Mission
which can serve as a basis for further discussion
Membership model (Markus, ??)
Half of existing groups seem fairly unorganized
Other half have a more formal policy incl sometimes approval for
membership
See membership section below.
Examine WikiMed more .... MARKUS
Main purpose of membership
Make legitimate decisions
Representation
Any patreon followup? (Ginger, Chris)
xMWCon (Lex)
Riot/Matrix server <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T193961>
Waiting for the creation of the cloud
There are response time issues
WikiSpaces refugee effort (Gergő, Bryan)
Bryan reached out to parent copany TES
Bryan also said Yaron got WikiWorks listed as a place to go but no
one has had success working with TES to seamlessly roll over their
users.
Possible maint script to do the conversion from WikiSpaces to MW:
https://gist.github.com/ilhooq/65c1e2490fdb616413dfede8647f2691
Contribute: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikispaces
Greg has been connecting with some Wikispaces users from what I
(Bryan) hear and has some experience with migration.
EMW Mailing list (Mark)
active now, not much traffic yet
regularly post minutes of our meeting -> MARK == link to Etherpad? :-)
Tech Working Group (from Strategy process)
Nominations by June 8:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2018-May/090014.html
We need to nominate representatives.
The Wikimedia Technical Conference will take place in Portland, OR, USA on October 22-25, 2018.
And, as mentioned in previous emails [1][2] and on the wiki page
[3], this conference will be focused on the cross-departmental
program called Platform Evolution. We will be providing more
information and context as we go along in the process.For this
conference, we are looking for diverse stakeholders, perspectives,
and experiences that will help us to make informed decisions for the
future evolution of the platform. We need people who can create and
architect solutions, as well as those who actually make decisions on
funding and prioritization for the projects.
Provide input on the future direction of MediaWiki's extension management system:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Extension_management_fe…
As part of the MediaWiki Platform Team's goal to develop a roadmap
for MediaWiki, we want to solicit input on the future direction of
MediaWiki's extension management system. One of MediaWiki's greatest
strengths is the diverse extension ecosystem. But navigating that
ecosystem and managing those extensions can be difficult and
cumbersome.
If time, I'd like to briefly discuss the (archived) AWS extension.
== Membership ==
Membership models
* Sign up via official form
** pro: members mailing list
** pro: required for entities -> preparation
** pro: identification
** types: pdf or google doc
** no money (membership fees) involved in other groups
** examples
*** WikiMed: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med/Membership
*** WikiToLearn (create account on their platform): https://de.wikitolearn.org/Mitmachen
*** Shared Knowledge: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shared_Knowledge#Membership
* Informal application
** examples
*** WikiJournal: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group#WikiJournal_Council
* Informal (sign with name)
** pro: low barrier
** con: unknown state of group
** examples
*** Whose knowledge?: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Whose_Knowledge%3F
*** Wiki Women: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomen%27s_User_Group#Members
*** Wikimedia LGBT: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT%2B/Participants/de
* Informal (participate)
** examples
*** Wikisource Community: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#Becoming_a_…
*** Wikibase Community (need invitation to join channels) https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikibase_Community_User_Group#Joining_the_G…
*** Tool developers (there are criteria, though): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Tool_Developers_Group#Membership_…
Organisation
* Informal (most)
* Council
** examples
*** WikiJournal: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group#WikiJournal_Council
*** Wikisource Community will start incorporation when 100 active members are reached: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisource_Community_User_Group#Governance
*** Wikimedia LGBT: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT%2B/Participants/de
* Incorporation
** examples
*** WikiMed (Not for profit corporation, NY): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med/Membership#Administrative_…
*** Shared Knowledge (Macedonia): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shared_Knowledge/Constitution
Bylaws
* examples
** WikiJournal: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Bylaws
** Shared Knowledge: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Shared_Knowledge/Constitution
Sorry,
the link to the article got lost ☹
Here it is:
https://www.univention.com/2018/05/mediawiki-a-culture-of-sharing-your-know…
Richard
Dr. Richard Heigl
Strategieberatung / Strategy Advisory
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Hallo Welt! GmbH
Postfach 11 02 09
93015 Regensburg
Germany
Tel. +49 (0) 941 - 66 0 80-0
Fax. +49 (0) 941 - 66 0 80-189
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Hi all,
I wrote a guest article about MediaWiki for our technology partner Univention.
I take up a term from Mark Hershberger and try to make clear, besides a general discussion of what an enterprise wiki is from my and BlueSpice product point of view, that MediaWiki offers a different and groundbreaking approach to knowledge.
Please feel free to share, comment or criticize. ☺
Best regards!
Richard
Dr. Richard Heigl
Strategieberatung / Strategy Advisory
Hallo Welt! GmbH
Postfach 11 02 09
93015 Regensburg
Germany
Tel. +49 (0) 941 - 66 0 80-0
Fax. +49 (0) 941 - 66 0 80-189
hallowelt.com<http://hallowelt.com/>
heigl(a)hallowelt.com<mailto:heigl@hallowelt.com>
Sitz: Regensburg
Amtsgericht: Regensburg
Handelsregister: HRB 10467
E.USt.Nr.: DE 253050833
Geschäftsführer: Anja Ebersbach, Markus Glaser, Dr. Richard Heigl, Radovan Kubani
If my customer is example.com, with multiple applications and services
routed to that domain e.g. /blog or login.example.com. One service that
they are hosting is a MediaWiki instance at https://example.com*/wiki*
(also using a single-sign-on infrastructure - but I don't think that
matters much for this discussion about SSL and routing requests for
top-level folders of the domain). For them to outsource the wiki hosting,
and continue to have the wiki hosted at /wiki using an SSL certificate that
they provide, what needs to be done?
I'm assuming that if I have a static IP address xx.xx.xx.xx, and an SSL
certificate for "wiki.example.com", that the customer can use DNS to make
sure that wiki.example.com points to that IP. The customer can use their
web-server to internally proxy requests for /wiki to wiki.example.com/wiki
and to the end-user they would simply see https://example.com/wiki in their
browser (preserving existing links and SEO built up at that path). Is this
correct?
And, what ways can latency and overhead be reduced so that their server can
hand-off requests as efficiently as possible under a high load environment?
Thanks,
Greg
Greg Rundlett
*principal consultant*
eQuality Technology
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Heya,
I’m a member of the MediaWiki stakeholders group and we just hosted
the third Enterprise MediaWiki conference. I’d like to start using
this list more to help the community with communication. Would it be
possible to help administer this list?
Yours,
Chris K.
Greetings to the MediaWiki community!
MediaWiki Stakeholders (MWStake) is organizing an Enterprise MediaWiki Conference (EMWcon) for Spring of 2018 in Houston, Texas.
MWStake is pre-announcing the conference and is also requesting your input so that we can pick a week that would be most ideal for hosting the event.
The hope is to have the conference in March or April of 2018, with the start date on a Wednesday , continuing through Thursday and Friday . Based on the community feedback, MWStake will pick the week that will allow for the most impact for the most attendees.
If you're interested in attending the conference, please choose a start date or dates that work best for you using the following link: [ https://doodle.com/poll/inh7ut84cn2rn3i9 | https://doodle.com/poll/inh7ut84cn2rn3i9 ]
Please leave comments, suggestions, and your email if you'd like to be contacted further.
Thank you,
MWStakes