Did anyone ever receive payment for their contribution to PGIP Round 1? Has anyone heard anything from the co-ordinators?
Just looking for an update.
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:55 AM, James Provost info@jamesprovost.com wrote:
Did anyone ever receive payment for their contribution to PGIP Round 1? Has anyone heard anything from the co-ordinators?
Just looking for an update.
I've been contacted by Brianna to get my Paypal address. But that's it.
Same too me ...
greeting Stefan
Am 08.06.2009 um 16:31 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar:
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:55 AM, James Provost info@jamesprovost.com wrote: Did anyone ever receive payment for their contribution to PGIP Round 1? Has anyone heard anything from the co-ordinators?
Just looking for an update.
I've been contacted by Brianna to get my Paypal address. But that's it. _______________________________________________ greenspun-illustrations mailing list greenspun-illustrations@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/greenspun-illustrations
Hello James, Eugene, Stefan, and other illustrators also wondering,
I am very sorry for the poor communication. I had been hoping to get all the illustrators' details at once to organise payments. But one guy seems to be travelling and his email address started bouncing before I could get his full details. I wanted to wait and see if he might reply quickly so they could all be done at once, but it seems not, so now it is better to get everyone else's payments moving without further delay.
I have passed the necessary details on to WMF and payments should be made by the end of the month. I will let you know if I get any more specific information about that.
Thank you for your deep, deep patience!
Brianna
Hi Brianna, it´s not the money, I´m wondering what going on with the project itself? No other round, the first round was closed before I could asigned next illustration and so on. Is´t still alive?
nice greetings from Germany Stefan
Am 08.06.2009 um 18:45 schrieb Brianna Laugher:
Hello James, Eugene, Stefan, and other illustrators also wondering,
I am very sorry for the poor communication. I had been hoping to get all the illustrators' details at once to organise payments. But one guy seems to be travelling and his email address started bouncing before I could get his full details. I wanted to wait and see if he might reply quickly so they could all be done at once, but it seems not, so now it is better to get everyone else's payments moving without further delay.
I have passed the necessary details on to WMF and payments should be made by the end of the month. I will let you know if I get any more specific information about that.
Thank you for your deep, deep patience!
Brianna
-- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
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2009/6/9 Stefan Weber design@sweber.de:
Hi Brianna, it´s not the money, I´m wondering what going on with the project itself? No other round, the first round was closed before I could asigned next illustration and so on. Is´t still alive?
I think it is safe to say that it won't continue in its current format (how Round 1 was conducted). It is too time intensive to be done properly, and having it done poorly would not benefit anyone IMO.
To explain a bit, I consider "done properly" to include * evaluating suggestions ** for worthiness ** for suitability as illustration ** for availability of third party references * finding self-suggestions when needed * conducting moderately thorough check to make sure no free image seems to exist yet * describing the request sufficiently so that an illustrator has enough information to understand what the request is for * reviewing submissions, including ** checking against reliable third party references ** checking for basic SVG features (text as text, good colour contrasts)
So the question of "what next" is a bit up in the air. It's perhaps possible that the scope of the project might be able to shift a bit, although this is not certain. So I would say, if you have some interesting idea about how to conduct a project like this, feel free to the idea forward now.
cheers Brianna
Maybe we need another collabortion-tool. This jira.toolserver wasn´t easy to handle. I thing there are a lot others (open source) we should test. There should be a discussion-board for example (chat options?) The Wiki isn´t very comfortable for diskussions also. Is it possible to get an own server for the project itself? I think about tools like "SugarCRM" or "Moodle" and others, used as instruments - we could evaluate wich one give us the best basics an how we can "encroached" them.
greeting Stefan
Am 08.06.2009 um 19:05 schrieb Brianna Laugher:
2009/6/9 Stefan Weber design@sweber.de:
Hi Brianna, it´s not the money, I´m wondering what going on with the project itself? No other round, the first round was closed before I could asigned next illustration and so on. Is´t still alive?
I think it is safe to say that it won't continue in its current format (how Round 1 was conducted). It is too time intensive to be done properly, and having it done poorly would not benefit anyone IMO.
To explain a bit, I consider "done properly" to include
- evaluating suggestions
** for worthiness ** for suitability as illustration ** for availability of third party references
- finding self-suggestions when needed
- conducting moderately thorough check to make sure no free image
seems to exist yet
- describing the request sufficiently so that an illustrator has
enough information to understand what the request is for
- reviewing submissions, including
** checking against reliable third party references ** checking for basic SVG features (text as text, good colour contrasts)
So the question of "what next" is a bit up in the air. It's perhaps possible that the scope of the project might be able to shift a bit, although this is not certain. So I would say, if you have some interesting idea about how to conduct a project like this, feel free to the idea forward now.
cheers Brianna
-- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
greenspun-illustrations mailing list greenspun-illustrations@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/greenspun-illustrations
2009/6/9 Stefan Weber design@sweber.de:
Maybe we need another collabortion-tool. This jira.toolserver wasn´t easy to handle. I thing there are a lot others (open source) we should test. There should be a discussion-board for example (chat options?) The Wiki isn´t very comfortable for diskussions also. Is it possible to get an own server for the project itself? I think about tools like "SugarCRM" or "Moodle" and others, used as instruments - we could evaluate wich one give us the best basics an how we can "encroached" them.
I agree that the current system used definitely wasn't ideal, but a different system still won't solve a lot of the problems I mentioned, that require human attention.
Brianna
How about contacting the French Graphic Team? They've produced tons of illustrations (mostly maps) and they might be able to give some pointers on the possible workflows. (Well, I'm not sure if they even collaborate on the level we need, but they're successful in setting quality standards that other people adhere to.)
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 1:05 AM, Brianna Laugher brianna.laugher@gmail.comwrote:
2009/6/9 Stefan Weber design@sweber.de:
Hi Brianna, it´s not the money, I´m wondering what going on with the project itself? No other round, the first round was closed before I could asigned next illustration and so on. Is´t still alive?
I think it is safe to say that it won't continue in its current format (how Round 1 was conducted). It is too time intensive to be done properly, and having it done poorly would not benefit anyone IMO.
To explain a bit, I consider "done properly" to include
- evaluating suggestions
** for worthiness ** for suitability as illustration ** for availability of third party references
- finding self-suggestions when needed
- conducting moderately thorough check to make sure no free image
seems to exist yet
- describing the request sufficiently so that an illustrator has
enough information to understand what the request is for
- reviewing submissions, including
** checking against reliable third party references ** checking for basic SVG features (text as text, good colour contrasts)
So the question of "what next" is a bit up in the air. It's perhaps possible that the scope of the project might be able to shift a bit, although this is not certain. So I would say, if you have some interesting idea about how to conduct a project like this, feel free to the idea forward now.
cheers Brianna
-- They've just been waiting in a mountain for the right moment: http://modernthings.org/
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Hello ! I was a French WikiGraphist, and think that the level of our illustration can really be this who is need(ed ?). About the workflow, it was a discussion : each wikigraphist who was interrested by the current work gives her mind, help and advise (see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Atelier_graphique/Images_%C3%A0_...) the graphist who make the picture or propose another version ( see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Atelier_graphique/Images_%C3%A0_... ). When the customer|client and the graphist are satisfied, the picture is marked as "finish".
It's a collaborativ spirit, not a competitiv spirit, so I am not sure that is applies to our project .. I go talk about this to the French Wikigraphist Team !
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Amicalement, Delaby Pierre
Eugene Alvin Villar a écrit :
How about contacting the French Graphic Team? They've produced tons of illustrations (mostly maps) and they might be able to give some pointers on the possible workflows. (Well, I'm not sure if they even collaborate on the level we need, but they're successful in setting quality standards that other people adhere to.)
Wouldn't it be the most obvious way to get additional input to include the various graphic labs directly in the process? For example, the German Grafikwerkstatt (by far not as good as our french colleagues!) has a dedicated page "Grafikwünsche" at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Grafikwerkstatt/Grafikw%C3%BCnsche We're about twenty persons with differing skill levels who look after that page.
If a request comes in at such a place and it is appropriate for the Greenspun project, wouldn't it be nice to feed it directly into the flow, thus giving the local graphicists and the person who asked for the illustration a chance to help, to evaluate, to look for other pictorial sources etc. If the request concerns one of the more established fields of knowledge, where big project groups (on de called "Redaktion") are available, you could even ask them for evaluations.
This way, the weight of keeping on top of the workflow wouldn't completely rest on some central shoulders, but especially its parts that concern graphic skills and topical knowledge could be distributed among a greater number of persons. The job of Brianna would then basically be to keep tabs on what everyone else does.
My best wishes, Claus Colloseus (Hk kng)
Pierre delaby schrieb:
Hello ! I was a French WikiGraphist, and think that the level of our illustration can really be this who is need(ed ?). About the workflow, it was a discussion : each wikigraphist who was interrested by the current work gives her mind, help and advise (see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Atelier_graphique/Images_%C3%A0_...) the graphist who make the picture or propose another version ( see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Atelier_graphique/Images_%C3%A0_... ). When the customer|client and the graphist are satisfied, the picture is marked as "finish".
It's a collaborativ spirit, not a competitiv spirit, so I am not sure that is applies to our project .. I go talk about this to the French Wikigraphist Team !
sorry for the long url, tinyurl not compatible by #id anchor in page...
Amicalement, Delaby Pierre
Eugene Alvin Villar a écrit :
How about contacting the French Graphic Team? They've produced tons of illustrations (mostly maps) and they might be able to give some pointers on the possible workflows. (Well, I'm not sure if they even collaborate on the level we need, but they're successful in setting quality standards that other people adhere to.)
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2009/6/10 Hk kng hk.kng@web.de:
Wouldn't it be the most obvious way to get additional input to include the various graphic labs directly in the process? For example, the German Grafikwerkstatt (by far not as good as our french colleagues!) has a dedicated page "Grafikwünsche" at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Grafikwerkstatt/Grafikw%C3%BCnsche We're about twenty persons with differing skill levels who look after that page.
If a request comes in at such a place and it is appropriate for the Greenspun project, wouldn't it be nice to feed it directly into the flow, thus giving the local graphicists and the person who asked for the illustration a chance to help, to evaluate, to look for other pictorial sources etc. If the request concerns one of the more established fields of knowledge, where big project groups (on de called "Redaktion") are available, you could even ask them for evaluations.
Closer involvement with the graphics groups is definitely a good idea, but a big concern I have is about "competing" with volunteer motivation. If you start involving money in things that previously volunteers had some other motivation to do, it can screw things up and actually reduce the volunteer motivation, make people feel disillusioned. How do you think we could avoid that?
Brianna
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