On 05/03/2014 07:57, dan entous wrote:
hi james,
glad to hear that you're getting ready to upload with gwtoolset. sorry that you're running into an issue. at the moment the following characters are replaced with a '-' in a title without a method to override any of them:
'#','<','>','[',']','|','{','}',':','¬','`','!','"','£','$','^','&','*','(',')','+','=','~','?',',',';',"'",'@'
this list was comprised based on several wiki articles:
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_naming
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(technical_restric...)
- http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Bad_title
- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Titleblacklist
i'm not sure who would or what process would “approve” the issue of relaxing that restriction to also allow the characters: '(',')',','. maybe someone else on this list would know. my guess is that if the commons admins and community are okay with it, then we can go ahead and allow those characters, but i don't know how that's done. maybe via an rfc or village pump article with votes ...
In respect of the list above, the links actually indicate a lot of flexiblity.
From http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Bad_title it's clear that there is no technical problem with most of the characters -- it gives the example of Some¬`!"£$^&*()_+-=~?/.,;:'@ as something the software could handle, if necessary.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Titleblacklist highlight some characters that would be a problem, but they are a lot more esoteric than anything I want (so long as none of my filenames contain rude parts of the body).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28technical_rest... contains a much shorter list of restricted characters - just # < > [ ] | { }
which leaves https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_naming with its rather vague statement to
"Avoid "funny" symbols (control characters, unneeded punctuation, etc.) that might be significant in future wiki markup."
(Vagueness in the draft seems to be one reason why it has never been adopted, but is still only a working proposal).
For me, the apostrophe in St John's Gospel or Cicero's Aratus or Breviari d'Amour
*is* essential punctuation, and the strange and unreadable Breviari d--39-Amour is not an acceptable substitute.
Similarly parentheses and commas are used in the names of so many images, that it would break far too much now for them ever to become "significant in future wiki markup".
I can request confirmation at Commons:Village Pump if it is really necessary; but just doing what the other bots do, per Jean-Frédéric's suggestion, seems a good way to go.
Sorry to keep harping on this, but as I said in my other post, it's really blocking me, because a full reupload of the files is going to be the only sane way to sort these issues out; and until that's happened I can't do anything to integrate these files into the wiki, because it will all just get wiped out (as will the work of anybody else who tries to work on or with them).
So if this isn't too big a fix to ask, I would be very very grateful.
All best,
James.