Thanks from me too James, I hope to give the Glamtools upload a spin of my own soon with a mass upload, and reading about your experience has been very helpful.
Cheers, Craig
On 10 March 2014 20:07, Hay (Husky) huskyr@gmail.com wrote:
James, awesome that you went through the whole process of documenting your whole experience and where things could be better. I think that's a great resource for anyone still starting out and noticing all the 'known bugs'. Maybe it would be good to have a page on Commons as well with all of these points? Not everyone that uses the tool is on this list.
-- Hay
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 6:37 PM, Jim Hayes slowking4@gmail.com wrote:
nice work. one thing to think about is parts of the description field that could be broken out into the medium field, or title field (for example as i manually did in your example)
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ABodyguard_of_Ranjit_S...
it's probably going to be different for each institution, how they input their metadata, and how we structure it.
jim hayes
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 8:30 AM, James Heald j.heald@ucl.ac.uk wrote:
A quick update.
I've been able to a find ways to help me clean up the layout of the wikitext on the description pages using the semi-automated
AutoWikiBrowser
tool; and also a less miserable approach to getting the page renaming
done;
so that I am *not* now planning any longer to do a full re-upload of the set, or indeed any re-uploading.
(In fact my hands were tied, because people were already starting to use and edit the pages, which a re-upload would have wiped).
So the wikitext layout on the pages is now all pretty much corrected,
and
I should have worked through renaming the remaining filenames by the
end of
Sunday.
A typical diff can be seen eg at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3ABodyguard_of_Ranjit_S...
From the top I have made the following changes:
Added an =={{int:filedesc}}== header above the Artwork template
Re-ordered the fields in the artwork template, and added blank ones
Moved the gwtoolset fields into a separate template, {{Uploaded with
GWtoolset}}, which currently produces no output, but could be adjusted
to
output whatever you wanted.
- Added whitespace before and after the new {{Uploaded with GWtoolset}}
template
Split the categories directives each onto their own line
Added whitespace before the commented-out Metadata sections
I have also turned all instances of ' back into apostrophes.
(A single apostrophe has no significance for wiki-markup, and so does
not
need to be escaped. A double apostrophe may well be intentional).
I didn't get the change perfect -- an extra newline got in at the top
that
shouldn't have been there; and the artwork template is nicer with a
single
space before the pipe character, which I forgot. But it's good enough,
and
now feels to me like a proper WikiCommons page should.
A final thought about the inclusion of all the commented-out metadata. It's not ideal, because it can lead to category information being split between two places. The natural place for categories is soon after the description, so that an editor can quickly read down in the wikitext
from
the description to the categories.
However, a lot of the visual tools to assist in adding and editing categories tools assume that this will be at the bottom of the page --
so
simply add new categories at the end of the page.
In this case, however, that would lead to the description page having category information in two different places -- some above the big
metadata
comment, some below it. It's not good for the information to be going
to be
split in this way.
So -- if the metadata is useful (which it may well be), a better place
to
put it might be in a separate sub-page. On a separate page, it would
also
be safe from automated edits -- for example my edits with AWB here.
My apologies that I got into a bit of a state about all this last night (and my relief that it's not the blocker I thought it would be). These issues may seem trivial, but in my view they are important (to me, a difference between acceptable and unacceptable output), so IMO they are things that *need* to be tidied up before any big launch.
All best,
James.
On 06/03/2014 19:28, James Heald wrote:
David,
Thank you so much for this.
For me the most pressing issues are:
- allowing punctuation in the filenames
- the layout of the Artwork, so that the fields occur in their usual
standard order & missing fields are included
- moving the 'gwtoolset-title-identifier' and
'gwtoolset-url-to-the-media-file' fields out of the artwork template,
eg
into a template of their own
I hope these are all fairly small changes, almost cosmetic, that can be sorted out quickly.
But they would make a huge difference -- I've already had a sharp note on my Commons talk page that the images have filled up the automatic "Artwork template with incorrect parameter" maintenance category,
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_using_Artwork_template_wit...
making the category useless for identifying other user's genuine mistakes because it's full of the 430 images that I uploaded.
As for the filenames, and the template fields, I really really want to get these sorted. Really the only sensible way for me to fix them is
to
re-run the entire upload, once the tool is patched.
But until I've done the re-upload that's blocking me from doing a lot
of
essential plumbing -- eg properly categorising the images; wikilinking their subjects, adding them into articles (including swapping the new images in instead of a lot of existing inferior versions -- which are exactly the things that are needed to make the upload look good, if the upload is going to be cited in the official release at the end of the month. But at the moment I'm blocked, because there is no point in doing any of those things, if I know that I'm going to do a batch re-upload that will wipe all of those things out.
So I hope these key things aren't big fixes, but if it could be
possible
to get a patched version of the tool up and running I'd be incredibly grateful.
All best,
James.
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