Seconding: yes, this ‘bounce’ concept is extremely important in web analytics and it’s a core metric in Google Analytics. It makes a huge difference if a user clicks away after less than a second, or reads just a bit, or spends several minutes reading a webpage.
On 25 Jan 2016, at 11:46, Hans Muller j.m.muller@hccnet.nl wrote:
Dear Federico and Magnus,
Thank you for your links and further help.
Perhaps WMF is not that obsessed with dwell time of a surfer on a webpage, as are commercial websites and so Google Analytics with its concept of bounce: the user request of another webpage within a sec, an immediate rejection of the webpage.
Or perhaps this cannot be logged server-side.
Best regards, hansmuller https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hansmuller
Op Ma, 18 januari, 2016 9:49 pm schreef Magnus Manske:
OK, I am not sure I understand the issue correctly, so I'll just throw out some notes:
- I do not count the pageviews. They are counted by the Wikimedia
Foundation, I just use them as-is.
- The official definition of page views seems to be at
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Pageviews
- AFAIK, the data before 2015-12 used only desktop views; the new one
uses also mobile, but removes "views" by bots and crawlers.
- Not sure what the "bounce" feature is; the preview thing in the mobile
app? Or the MediaViewer? (I believe page views count neither of those)
Finally, a "view" in the baglama2 tool means an image was included on a page that a human loaded in his/her browser. I have no data if that image was actually on the screen ("below the fold", no scrolling), but since "important" images in an article tend to be near the top, I just count the page view.
Hope that helps, Magnus
On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 2:19 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Hans Muller, 18/01/2016 14:52:
As far as i can see, the API does not answer the bounce question.
The API talks of pageviews https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/pageviews_API ; your question is IMHO the wrong one, i.e. "how can we estimate how many pageviews are real?". The real question is "how many times are the files actually seen?".
To answer the real question, you have to use mediacounts instead: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data/Mediacounts You can see an example at http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/File:2015-10-beic-counts.ods The results are very similar to what baglama yields, for this specific case (BEIC media).
Nemo
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