There has been increased interest in the team social norms that were codified last year. Deb Tankersley even gave a presentation to all tech managers referencing our work here (Thanks Deb!). I have had a few things on my bucket list in regards to these as far as editing, and adding context I found myself consistently giving in casual conversation.
I'm hoping the team can reread these as they stand now and we can iterate on any inconsistencies I have unearthed :). It has been the case thus far that I do the majority of the writing and ...some would say overt pontification :D but I'm hoping I have not strayed from our shared original purpose.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team/Team_Social_Nor...
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team%2F...
I feel better about socializing this beyond our own borders now, and thanks to all of you for giving this credence to this point. I think the 'no belittling' section could use a little polish but I hope to keep it around in general.
Best,
On 6/7/18 1:39 PM, Chase Pettet wrote:
There has been increased interest in the team social norms that were codified last year. Deb Tankersley even gave a presentation to all tech managers referencing our work here (Thanks Deb!). I have had a few things on my bucket list in regards to these as far as editing, and adding context I found myself consistently giving in casual conversation.
I'm hoping the team can reread these as they stand now and we can iterate on any inconsistencies I have unearthed :). It has been the case thus far that I do the majority of the writing and ...some would say overt pontification :D but I'm hoping I have not strayed from our shared original purpose.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team/Team_Social_Nor...
https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Cloud_Services_team%2F...
I like that you've added assume-good-faith to the 'propose a different path' but I don't like that it no longer says "don't do this thing". Was there a particular concern with the original first sentence, 'If you have concerns about a proposal then help craft an alternative approach.'? I like that it's straightforward and positively phrased.
I feel better about socializing this beyond our own borders now, and thanks to all of you for giving this credence to this point. I think the 'no belittling' section could use a little polish but I hope to keep it around in general.
Best,
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My own interpretation of the propose/oppose section was that it was clunky. It had lived in a half-edited state because it was being iterated on while I talked with Kevin on the talk page and then in email and irc. Then Kevin left etc. It also has received (by far) the most critique and cross-fire, which is really interesting. My adaptation was to clarify and get to the spirit of the thing so hopefully people would find it less appealing to tease apart and thereby losing the forrest for the trees
Maybe this is a better lead-in:
Beginning with the good faith assumption that everyone is doing necessary work, If you have concerns about a proposal then help craft an alternative approach.
than:
Beginning with the good faith assumption that everyone is doing necessary work, the intention behind this idiom is to reinforce that to oppose an idea or approach is to engage in the crafting of alternatives.
I'm cool w/ either honestly
On 6/7/18 2:12 PM, Chase Pettet wrote:
My own interpretation of the propose/oppose section was that it was clunky. It had lived in a half-edited state because it was being iterated on while I talked with Kevin on the talk page and then in email and irc. Then Kevin left etc. It also has received (by far) the most critique and cross-fire, which is really interesting. My adaptation was to clarify and get to the spirit of the thing so hopefully people would find it less appealing to tease apart and thereby losing the forrest for the trees
Maybe this is a better lead-in:
Beginning with the good faith assumption that everyone is doing necessary work, If you have concerns about a proposal then help craft an alternative approach.
I like this better! I would probably just make it two imperative sentences:
"Begin with the good faith assumption that everyone is doing necessary work. If you have concerns about a proposal then help craft an alternative approach."
than:
Beginning with the good faith assumption that everyone is doing necessary work, the intention behind this idiom is to reinforce that to oppose an idea or approach is to engage in the crafting of alternatives.
I'm cool w/ either honestly
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