Hi,
just a bit confused (and it is probably a 101 question):
the number of active editors that I get here
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSIMPLE.htm
is very well defined, and says what it means. But trouble is, it is inconsistent with the number that I get here
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
for active editors, and if I understand the definition at the latter correctly it means "one edit or action within the last 30 days".
Can someone please help me to interpret the numbers appropriately?
Cheers, Denny
P.S.: this is true for all WMF projects, I took simple as an example.
On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Denny Vrandečić < denny.vrandecic@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi,
just a bit confused (and it is probably a 101 question):
the number of active editors that I get here
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSIMPLE.htm
is very well defined, and says what it means. But trouble is, it is inconsistent with the number that I get here
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
for active editors, and if I understand the definition at the latter correctly it means "one edit or action within the last 30 days".
Can someone please help me to interpret the numbers appropriately?
Cheers, Denny
It's really just wrong to call the number generated by Special:Statistics "active editors", since the threshold is one action (action, not edit) in the last month. I would ignore it.
IIRC, the reason for the discrepancy is that Special:Statistics was created before we had agreed on the active editors metrics you see on stats.wikimedia.org and the monthly report card.
On 03/07/2013 10:24 AM, Steven Walling wrot
It's really just wrong to call the number generated by Special:Statistics "active editors", since the threshold is one action (action, not edit) in the last month. I would ignore it.
Special:Statistics actually says "active users", not "active editors", and that's how it should be interpreted.
The Special:Statistics one is a much broader superset.
Matt
Denny Vrandečić, 07/03/2013 19:02:
the number of active editors that I get here
http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSIMPLE.htm
is very well defined, and says what it means.
Yes. Remember that those are defined on the calendar month, while "Contributor" is yet another thing and measures from beginning of time: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Contributor
But trouble is, it is inconsistent with the number that I get here
Why is it a trouble?
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
for active editors, and if I understand the definition at the latter correctly it means "one edit or action within the last 30 days".
Yes.
Can someone please help me to interpret the numbers appropriately?
It's not about interpretation but about purposes. :) 1) To find someone who can help you on a wiki, use the query for active users: it's better than skimming RC as we used to have to. 2) To have an idea of the top-activity or core community health, use the "very active editor" of any given month. 3) To have an idea of the total activity on a wiki, use the number of active editors. 4) To know how many new editors a wiki is attracting (not caring of how many are being lost), calculate differences between numbers of "Contributors".
Nemo
Ah, thanks. My understanding was that "Wikipedian (total)" in [1] means at least one edit in the given calendar month, but it is about the number of people who have *ever' made at least one edit. That explains it, thanks!
[1] http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSIMPLE.htm
2013/3/7 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
Denny Vrandečić, 07/03/2013 19:02:
the number of active editors that I get here
<http://stats.wikimedia.org/**EN/TablesWikipediaSIMPLE.htmhttp://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaSIMPLE.htm
is very well defined, and says what it means.
Yes. Remember that those are defined on the calendar month, while "Contributor" is yet another thing and measures from beginning of time: https://www.mediawiki.org/**wiki/Analytics/Metric_** definitions#Contributorhttps://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Metric_definitions#Contributor
But trouble is, it is
inconsistent with the number that I get here
Why is it a trouble?
<http://simple.wikipedia.org/**wiki/Special:Statisticshttp://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
for active editors, and if I understand the definition at the latter correctly it means "one edit or action within the last 30 days".
Yes.
Can someone please help me to interpret the numbers appropriately?
It's not about interpretation but about purposes. :)
- To find someone who can help you on a wiki, use the query for active
users: it's better than skimming RC as we used to have to. 2) To have an idea of the top-activity or core community health, use the "very active editor" of any given month. 3) To have an idea of the total activity on a wiki, use the number of active editors. 4) To know how many new editors a wiki is attracting (not caring of how many are being lost), calculate differences between numbers of "Contributors".
Nemo
Denny Vrandečić, 07/03/2013 19:02:
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
for active editors, and if I understand the definition at the latter correctly it means "one edit or action within the last 30 days".
Note that Special:ActiveUsers was removed by https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/55807/ but Chad confirmed that Special:Statistics is not affected (apart from the link), because the number is calculated in another way and cached (which also means it's not perfectly up to date).
Nemo