New subject: Os stats

16 Mar 2017


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Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users would
be that small,
Overall? I disagree, I think it does, think that wikipedia (our main source
of traffic for all wikimedia projects) is fastly moving to mobile, thus
mobile OS are the bulk of the requests, desktop are the minority and, in
that minority, Linux is the minority.
Just looked at December 2016 overall pageviews for desktop and mobile
coming from "users" (not self-identified-bots) and for that month about 20%
of pageviews are on iOS, 25% are on Android and Fedora is 0.027%. This data
is counting all projects for the whole world at large, probably Fedora
represents a larger chuck of traffic in US-desktop only traffic.
I think we are going to be adding a bit more info to our browser reports
with desktop-only data but still, Fedora traffic is probably not going to
display.
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Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and
do some testing, to see if I
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can see a reason for things to fail register properly.
If you end up committing any fix to ua-parser please let us know
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Schaller cschalle@redhat.com
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Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users would
be that small,
and there is no version string for Fedora in the user agent, it is just:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/56.0.2924.87 Safari/537.36
Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and
do some testing, to see if I
can see a reason for things to fail register properly. Thanks for the
quick and helpful answers so far.
Christian
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From: "Nuria Ruiz" nuria@wikimedia.org
To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has
an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
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analytics@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: "Christian Schaller" cschalle@redhat.com, "Tomas Popela" <
tpopela@redhat.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
Small correction, threshold of browser reporting is 0.05%:
https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery/blob/
master/oozie/browser/general/coordinator.properties#L62
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Even for our traffic below that number reporting is really not that
meaningful. Now because the way that grouping happens if 'Fedora 23' and
'Fedora 24' (imaginary versions) have 0.025% traffic neither will get
reported. This is something we would like to improve and we have a ticket
for it here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131127 (feel free to
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in)
Now, even with big traffic like ours there is a threshold below which
reporting data is not meaningful as numbers in some instances oscillate a
lot and that means that there is more noise than signal, we will try to
get
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an specific "desktop" tab (so only requests to desktop site are counted)
but even then, Fedora traffic might be too small to display.
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu@wikimedia.org
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The threshold is actually at 0.1%, though you are right that this is
fairly arbitrary. We have sanitizing data on our goals next quarter,
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that's when we'll take a more mathematical approach at the problem.
Original Message
From: Christian Schaller
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 08:44
To: Dan Andreescu
Cc: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has
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interest in Wikipedia and analytics.; Tomas Popela
Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
Been thinking a bit about this and while I do appreciate the privacy
concerns I would assume that
even if you set the threshold to 0.5% the amount of traffic on
Wikipedia
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would still be great enough
for that to not be a real privacy risk? It is just that wikimedia is
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of the few open sources with
a huge traffic base for this kind of information and we would love to
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it as a neutral way to track
our own userbase growth in comparison with the wider market. So we know
from our internal statistics that we
more than doubled our userbase over the last year, but having a
resource
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like wikimedia would allow us to see
how those numbers play out in the bigger picture. So any chance of
convincing you to lower the threshold
to 0.5% to hopefully allow us to start using the statistics already
now?
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Sincerely,
Christian F.K. Schaller
Manager for Fedora & Red Hat Desktop efforts
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From: "Dan Andreescu" dandreescu@wikimedia.org
To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who
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an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
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analytics@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: "Christian Schaller" cschalle@redhat.com, "Tomas Popela" <
tpopela@redhat.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:10:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
Christian,
I wanted to make sure our code is working well so I took a look. We
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UA
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Parser, a regex-based community-maintained user agent identifier. It
correctly identified Fedora as the OS in all of the strings I found
like
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'%Fedora%' for the hour of raw webrequests I looked at. However,
there
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were less than 0.1% requests that were identified as Fedora. We cut
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reporting statistics when numbers get that low for privacy reasons.
But
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everything is detected correctly, so if Fedora's share of requests
increases, it will show up on the charts.
Hope this helps.
On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Erik Zachte ezachte@wikimedia.org
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Hi Christian,
I'm forwarding your question to the WMF Analytics Team who authored
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report.
Cheers,
Erik
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Schaller [mailto:cschalle@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 16:07
To: Erik Zachte
Cc: Tomas Popela
Subject: Re: Os stats
Hi Erik,
Thanks for getting the new OS stats up on:
https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-
sites-by-os/os-family-timeseries
That said as far as we can tell the detection of Fedora does not
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all currently and we can not figure out why. Ubuntu which is
detected
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the following user agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0
While Fedora which isn't detected uses this user agent:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
Firefox/52.0
Would you be so kind to let us know what the wikimedia analytics
engine
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uses to try to identify Fedora systems? We can tweak our user
agents
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easily if that is easier than updating the analytics engines way of
detecting Fedora.
Sincerely,
Christian F.K. Schaller
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From: "Erik Zachte" ezachte@wikimedia.org
To: "Christian Schaller" cschalle@redhat.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:28:55 AM
Subject: RE: Os stats
Hi Christian,
Sorry since my previous response we put the reports on hold, as
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are issues with reliability now that we migrated https almost
fully.
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Can you please add your signature to
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/
TrafficReports/Futu
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re_per_report_B2 I can do it for you, but I don't know: can I add
your
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full name or do you have a Wikipedia nick name that you prefer to
use?
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We are working on migration of the reports. More here:
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114379
Cheers,
Erik
-----Original Message-----
From: Christian Schaller [mailto:cschalle@redhat.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 16:16
To: Erik Zachte
Subject: Re: Os stats
Hi Erik,
Just checking what the current plans are for the OS statistics
on the
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wikimedia site. As I mentioned in my first email to you, we would
love
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to use these numbers as a way to estimate how we are doing with
Fedora
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Linux as they are one of the few sources for such statistics
where we
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can be fairly sure the data is not biased one way or the other
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the huge number of people using wikipedia). Of course with the
old
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stats being discontinued I am know waiting for the new data to be
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available to start building my usage trend statistics :)
So on the page it says to let us know if we want a specific
report
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kept, so I would like to repeat my wish that there is a version
of
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report '2' kept available.
Anyway, I realize that maintaining these website statistics is a
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of a sideshow for you guys and not a core part of what your
doing, so
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I just want to say that I do truly appreciate the effort to try
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have something at all available.
Sincerely,
Christian Schaller
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Zachte" ezachte@wikimedia.org
> To: "Christian Schaller" cschalle@redhat.com
> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:41:40 AM
> Subject: RE: Os stats
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> Hi Christian,
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> I started a job to catch-up for the last 3 months, will take
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days.
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> FYI these reports are almost end-of-life. Expect a complete
overhaul
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> of Wikimedia traffic and core metrics reporting based on bigger
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> and new paradigms (e.g. hadoop) in 2015 Q3/A4.
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> Cheers,
> Erik
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christian Schaller [mailto:cschalle@redhat.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 16:46
> To: ezachte@wikimedia.org
> Subject: Os stats
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> Hi Erik,
> Been checking out the stats on
> https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/
SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm.
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> Are you planning on updating that page again soon?
> We are using your numbers as one of the datapoints for
estimating
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> how Fedora Linux is doing, so I hope you plan on pulling new
numbers
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> from time to time.
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> Christian
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