Addendum: run same queries for desktop and that bumps up percentage to 0.052% for fedora on desktop only pageviews on December 2016.

Thanks,

Nuria



On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Nuria Ruiz <nuria@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users would be that small,
Overall? I disagree, I think it does, think that wikipedia (our main source of traffic for all wikimedia projects) is fastly moving to mobile, thus mobile OS are the bulk of the requests, desktop are the minority and, in that minority, Linux is the minority. 

Just looked at December 2016 overall pageviews for desktop and mobile coming from "users" (not self-identified-bots) and for that month about 20% of pageviews are on iOS, 25% are on Android and Fedora is 0.027%. This data is counting all projects for the whole world at large, probably Fedora represents a larger chuck of traffic in US-desktop only traffic. 

I think we are going to be adding a bit more info to our browser reports with desktop-only data but still, Fedora traffic is probably not going to display. 

>Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and do some testing, to see if I
>can see a reason for things to fail register properly. 

If you end up committing any fix to ua-parser please let us know












On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Christian Schaller <cschalle@redhat.com> wrote:
Hmm, does not make sense to me that the traffic caused by our users would be that small,
and there is no version string for Fedora in the user agent, it is just:
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/56.0.2924.87 Safari/537.36

Anyway, I will install the analytics stuff myself on a local machine and do some testing, to see if I
can see a reason for things to fail register properly. Thanks for the quick and helpful answers so far.

Christian



----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nuria Ruiz" <nuria@wikimedia.org>
> To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
> <analytics@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Cc: "Christian Schaller" <cschalle@redhat.com>, "Tomas Popela" <tpopela@redhat.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 12:12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
>
> Small correction, threshold of browser reporting is 0.05%:
> https://github.com/wikimedia/analytics-refinery/blob/master/oozie/browser/general/coordinator.properties#L62
> Even for our traffic below that number reporting is really not that
> meaningful. Now because the way that grouping happens if 'Fedora 23' and
> 'Fedora 24' (imaginary versions) have 0.025% traffic neither will get
> reported. This is something we would like to improve and we have a ticket
> for it here: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131127 (feel free to chime
> in)
>
> Now, even with big traffic like ours there is a threshold below which
> reporting data is not meaningful as numbers in some instances oscillate a
> lot and that means that there is more noise than signal, we will try to get
> an specific "desktop" tab (so only requests to desktop site are counted)
> but even then, Fedora traffic might be too small to display.
>
> On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 6:09 AM, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > The threshold is actually at 0.1%, though you are right that this is
> > fairly arbitrary. We have sanitizing data on our goals next quarter, and
> > that's when we'll take a more mathematical approach at the problem.
> >
> >   Original Message
> > From: Christian Schaller
> > Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 08:44
> > To: Dan Andreescu
> > Cc: A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has an
> > interest in Wikipedia and analytics.; Tomas Popela
> > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
> >
> > Been thinking a bit about this and while I do appreciate the privacy
> > concerns I would assume that
> > even if you set the threshold to 0.5% the amount of traffic on Wikipedia
> > would still be great enough
> > for that to not be a real privacy risk? It is just that wikimedia is one
> > of the few open sources with
> > a huge traffic base for this kind of information and we would love to use
> > it as a neutral way to track
> > our own userbase growth in comparison with the wider market. So we know
> > from our internal statistics that we
> > more than doubled our userbase over the last year, but having a resource
> > like wikimedia would allow us to see
> > how those numbers play out in the bigger picture. So any chance of
> > convincing you to lower the threshold
> > to 0.5% to hopefully allow us to start using the statistics already now?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Christian F.K. Schaller
> > Manager for Fedora & Red Hat Desktop efforts
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dan Andreescu" <dandreescu@wikimedia.org>
> > > To: "A mailing list for the Analytics Team at WMF and everybody who has
> > an interest in Wikipedia and analytics."
> > > <analytics@lists.wikimedia.org>
> > > Cc: "Christian Schaller" <cschalle@redhat.com>, "Tomas Popela" <
> > tpopela@redhat.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 2:10:38 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Analytics] Os stats
> > >
> > > Christian,
> > >
> > > I wanted to make sure our code is working well so I took a look. We use
> > UA
> > > Parser, a regex-based community-maintained user agent identifier. It
> > > correctly identified Fedora as the OS in all of the strings I found like
> > > '%Fedora%' for the hour of raw webrequests I looked at. However, there
> > > were less than 0.1% requests that were identified as Fedora. We cut off
> > > reporting statistics when numbers get that low for privacy reasons. But
> > > everything is detected correctly, so if Fedora's share of requests
> > > increases, it will show up on the charts.
> > >
> > > Hope this helps.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Erik Zachte <ezachte@wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Christian,
> > > >
> > > > I'm forwarding your question to the WMF Analytics Team who authored
> > this
> > > > report.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Erik
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:cschalle@redhat.com]
> > > > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 16:07
> > > > To: Erik Zachte
> > > > Cc: Tomas Popela
> > > > Subject: Re: Os stats
> > > >
> > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > Thanks for getting the new OS stats up on:
> > > > https://analytics.wikimedia.org/dashboards/browsers/#all-
> > > > sites-by-os/os-family-timeseries
> > > >
> > > > That said as far as we can tell the detection of Fedora does not work
> > at
> > > > all currently and we can not figure out why. Ubuntu which is detected
> > uses
> > > > the following user agent:
> > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > > Firefox/52.0
> > > >
> > > > While Fedora which isn't detected uses this user agent:
> > > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Fedora; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > > Firefox/52.0
> > > >
> > > > Would you be so kind to let us know what the wikimedia analytics engine
> > > > uses to try to identify Fedora systems? We can tweak our user agents
> > quite
> > > > easily if that is easier than updating the analytics engines way of
> > > > detecting Fedora.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > > Christian F.K. Schaller
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Erik Zachte" <ezachte@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > To: "Christian Schaller" <cschalle@redhat.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:28:55 AM
> > > > > Subject: RE: Os stats
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Christian,
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry since my previous response we put the reports on hold, as there
> > > > > are issues with reliability now that we migrated https almost fully.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you please add your signature to
> > > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Analytics/Wikistats/
> > TrafficReports/Futu
> > > > > re_per_report_B2 I can do it for you, but I don't know: can I add
> > your
> > > > > full name or do you have a Wikipedia nick name that you prefer to
> > use?
> > > > >
> > > > > We are working on migration of the reports. More here:
> > > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T114379
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Erik
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:cschalle@redhat.com]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 16:16
> > > > > To: Erik Zachte
> > > > > Subject: Re: Os stats
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > > Just checking what the current plans are for the OS statistics on the
> > > > > wikimedia site. As I mentioned in my first email to you, we would
> > love
> > > > > to use these numbers as a way to estimate how we are doing with
> > Fedora
> > > > > Linux as they are one of the few sources for such statistics where we
> > > > > can be fairly sure the data is not biased one way or the other (due
> > to
> > > > > the huge number of people using wikipedia). Of course with the old
> > > > > stats being discontinued I am know waiting for the new data to be
> > made
> > > > > available to start building my usage trend statistics :)
> > > > >
> > > > > So on the page it says to let us know if we want a specific report
> > > > > kept, so I would like to repeat my wish that there is a version of
> > > > > report '2' kept available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyway, I realize that maintaining these website statistics is a bit
> > > > > of a sideshow for you guys and not a core part of what your doing, so
> > > > > I just want to say that I do truly appreciate the effort to try to
> > > > > have something at all available.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > Christian Schaller
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Erik Zachte" <ezachte@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > To: "Christian Schaller" <cschalle@redhat.com>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 10:41:40 AM
> > > > > > Subject: RE: Os stats
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Christian,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I started a job to catch-up for the last 3 months, will take 4-5
> > days.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > FYI these reports are almost end-of-life. Expect a complete
> > overhaul
> > > > > > of Wikimedia traffic and core metrics reporting based on bigger
> > iron
> > > > > > and new paradigms (e.g. hadoop) in 2015 Q3/A4.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Erik
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Christian Schaller [mailto:cschalle@redhat.com]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2015 16:46
> > > > > > To: ezachte@wikimedia.org
> > > > > > Subject: Os stats
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Erik,
> > > > > > Been checking out the stats on
> > > > > > https://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/
> > > > SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm.
> > > > > > Are you planning on updating that page again soon?
> > > > > > We are using your numbers as one of the datapoints for estimating
> > > > > > how Fedora Linux is doing, so I hope you plan on pulling new
> > numbers
> > > > > > from time to time.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christian
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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