It's also the International Day of Women and Girls in Science!
Sounds like a good summary.
On 11 February 2016 at 07:31, Dan Andreescu <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
I almost revived this thread on Mardi Gras, but I
didn't want to be known as
The Holiday Crusher so I waited. Today is relatively safe [1] :)
Ok, there are three main points being made:
1. deprecating the old datasets
2. liberating ourselves from the old format
3. reorganizing the dumps page
My thoughts on each:
1. I agree with Dario and Erik's points. Let's keep the old files around,
but stop generating new files in May 2016. To explain this, we'll make a
new section called "Deprecated" and put links to the pagecounts-* datasets
there.
2. I wasn't expecting to talk about format, but it makes sense because, for
example, Erik's dataset is just a pivoted format. So, we could have a
section for the Pageview datasets, with links for each format we already
have: Domasz archive format, Erik Z compressed format. We could then add a
new format that's easier to understand and could even include some of the
data we expose via the pageview API. But from an organizational point of
view, treating "format" as a separate concept from "dataset" will be
an
improvement.
3. I think it's time we had our own page instead of just being under
dumps.wikimedia.org/other. Let's have
dumps.wikimedia.org/analytics and
link to it from both the main dumps page and /other. The separation will
make it easier to reference other places we have data static file dumps,
like
datasets.wikimedia.org. And it'll also make it easier to add links and
references to how this work is being done and where people can interact with
us or help us.
I hope I captured what everyone was saying. If there aren't any objections,
I'll send a list of next steps needed to accomplish this, and get to work :)
[1] Today is Be Electrific Day, Get Out Your Guitar Day, Grandmother
Achievement Day, National Don't Cry Over Spilled Milk Day, National
Inventors' Day, National Make a Friend Day, National Peppermint Patty Day,
National Shut-in Visitation Day, Pro Sports Wives Day, Promise Day,
Satisfied Staying Single Day, White Shirt Day
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:13 PM, Dario Taraborelli
<dtaraborelli(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Erik's proposal sounds very reasonable.
There might be some confusion about what we mean by "keeping the old
datasets for longitudinal analysis". No one is planning to remove the old
static dumps, just stop generating them/maintaining them going forward.
I also want to echo Nuria regarding the human cost of maintaining multiple
definitions. I just finished preparing a response to a reporter who was
asking about project-level mobile PV data and I was not immediately able to
answer if a specific data source I wanted to cite was using the old or new
definition (until I talked to Dan and we looked up together a gerrit patch).
How do people feel about turning off the generation of old dumps by May
2016, i.e. one year after having the two series of data available in
parallel?
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:17 AM, Nuria Ruiz <nuria(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
As I just mentioned to Dan in a private email
conversation, keeping
datasets even with imperfect measurements is important. Particularly for
longitudinal analysis.
Have in mind that maintaining these old dumps is not
"free", it causes a
lot of confusion and maintenance costs to have several pageview definitions
around. We get a lot of questions about spiky-ness of old definition and we
need to maintain software that generates the old files thus, we think is
reasonable to ask our users to transition to the new definition and
eventually (in a period of months) turn off the old dumps.
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 6:12 AM, Maurice Vergeer <m.vergeer(a)maw.ru.nl>
wrote:
Dear all,
As I just mentioned to Dan in a private email conversation, keeping
datasets even with imperfect measurements is important. Particularly for
longitudinal analysis.
Also, from what I understand - me being a newby here - is that the data
are stored in separate files. Dan suggested reordering the page into
categories. Maybe, another option is to create more extensive datasets with
more different measurements in a single datafile. On the other hand, the
files would become even bigger in size. Not an issue for mee, but for users
in the field accesibility (dowlnload bandwidth) could become an issue.
my two cents
Maurice
On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Alex Druk <alex.druk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Nothing against this approach!
>
> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 2:55 PM, Dan Andreescu
> <dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alex Druk <alex.druk(a)gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>> Happy holidays!
>>> Good idea to combine these datasets! However we have one more dataset
>>> by Erik Zachte :
http://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pagecounts-ez/
>>
>>
>> And that's an important one! But I was thinking we could re-organize
>> the page into categories. Erik's dataset could go into a "processed
data"
>> category or something like that. The three I wanted to talk about on this
>> thread are just the raw data.
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