Keep in mind that, when I say "metrics
documentation", I'm not referring
to documentation about Hive
<https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Cluster/Hive>, the webrequest
logs <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data/Webrequest>, or
EventLogging <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/EventLogging>.
To my mind, those are infrastructure topics that are
relevant mainly to
Wikimedia (not MediaWiki) engineers, and so belong on Wikitech.
Agreed
I'm talking about documentation relevant to
analysts, researchers, and end
users of metrics: "this is how we define an
*edit*", "this is why we use 5
edits as the cutoff for an active editor", "this is sample SQL for counting
surviving new active editors",
Agreed for all but last one, the sql will change. I will keep meta only
about definitions. If you start adding "examples" , it is likely they soon
will be out of date.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Leila Zia <leila(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Makes sense to me.
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Neil P. Quinn <nquinn(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Keep in mind that, when I say "metrics
documentation", I'm not referring
to documentation about Hive
<https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Cluster/Hive>, the webrequest
logs <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data/Webrequest>, or
EventLogging <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/EventLogging>.
To my mind, those are infrastructure topics that are relevant mainly to
Wikimedia (not MediaWiki) engineers, and so belong on Wikitech.
I'm talking about documentation relevant to analysts, researchers, and
end users of metrics: "this is how we define an *edit*", "this is why we
use 5 edits as the cutoff for an active editor", "this is sample SQL for
counting surviving new active editors", and so on. I think that kind of
information belongs on Meta (and not on
mediawiki.org, which was the
original thrust of my question).
Does that seem like a sensible split to people, or am I just agreeing
with one side of the debate?
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Aaron Halfaker <ahalfaker(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
I think having documentation in more than one
place is an awful
experience for newcomers.
Which newcomers are you referring to? Newcomers to the WMF engineering
staff or newcomers to research/analytics of Wikimedia projects?
It's OK to not understand the different purposes of our Wikis right
away, but I don't think that is a good reason to undermine their purposes.
I certainly don't see why wikitech is a desirable hub for this kind of
information. From my point of view Wikitech is the *worst* potential hub
of information that is not specific to engineering.
What, exactly, is the trouble with having metrics documentation on Meta?
How would moving *some of the the documentation* to wikitech help that?
(Because you're not going to move research project documentation without
even stronger disagreement from the locals.)
-Aaron
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Dan Andreescu <
dandreescu(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Strongly oppose moving the Research namespace
hosted metrics
> documentation off Meta. It's s'posed to be broadly accessible. Wikitech is
> on few peoples' radar.
Mediawiki.org is for software documentation. Meta is
> the central wiki for the movement (however imperfect). - J
>
I respect the fact that these kinds of distinctions make sense to
people who are already familiar with the movement and research /
analytics. But to someone relatively new, and to me for the first year at
the foundation, those distinctions made zero sense.
I'm not saying it's easy, but I think having documentation in more than
one place is an awful experience for newcomers. We'll continue to move
things to wikitech and leave nice high level landing pages on the other
wikis. Others are welcome to act differently if they so see fit. I know a
lot of research stuff is on meta, so maybe in your case it makes sense to
standardize on meta and point to it from the other wikis.
You're of course welcome to disagree with me but I'd suggest first
trying to come up with examples of newcomers who understand the purpose of
our different wikis perfectly right away.
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