Kenan – can you give me a pointer to the graph you are
referring to and
confirm what data source you are using? If you’re relying on EventLogging
data (MobileWebEditing) the log is not affected by reverts or page
deletions.
On Dec 2, 2013, at 11:53 AM, Arthur Richards <arichards(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
+analytics
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Jon Robson <jrobson(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Several theories:
1) I guess this now reflects reversions/deletions of edits?
2) We purge data collected before a certain date
I suspect the former?
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hey everyone. The monthly successful edits graph
no longer reflects a
drop
in edits between August and September...
Is it possible that we had data issues before that were causing us to
see an
issue that wasn't there?
OR
Is there some sort of data issue now that is causing us to be missing
data
that we used to be able to see?
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Arthur Richards <
arichards(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>
> I guess it's tough to draw a baseline considering we only have a couple
> months worth of data - but perhaps a good metric for our goal is
returning
> to or exceeding our peak?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to Juliusz we now have a graph of mobile editors that became
>> active editors. We can see a drop in the number of editors that became
>> active:
>>
>>
http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/edits-monthly-5plus-editors
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, looks like IndiaSummer95 got blocked today... but I've reached
out
>>> to Nick1372 and KurtWags3 via their
user talk pages.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Jon Robson <jrobson(a)wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I hope this is not too stalker-y but I think it is interesting.
>>>>
>>>> I looked briefly at the top 5 editors for both August [A] and
>>>> September [B], the most prolific editor "Indiasummer95", 520
days
>>>> registered, [1] made 2908 edits in August but only 694 in September.
>>>> The second most profilic editor "La Avatar Korra", registered
for 88
>>>> days [2] in September made 954 edits in August but only 379 in
>>>> September. Number 3, Nick1372, member for 306d days [3] had 762
edits
>>>> in August but only 445 in
September, #4 was 이민혁, registered for 70
>>>> days, [4] (558 rising to 623), and #5 KurtWags3, registered for 84
>>>> days [5] (520 dropping to 102)
>>>>
>>>> Out of these Indiasummer95 was the most interesting so I looked at
the
>>>> edits per page for August [C]:
>>>> Tell_Mama_UK 66
>>>> Abel_Xavier 60
>>>> Melilla 56
>>>> Vitória_S.C. 44
>>>> History_of_Roman_Catholicism_in_Portugal 40
>>>> Knattspyrnufélag_Reykjavíkur 40
>>>> Robot_Wars_(TV_series) 38
>>>> F.C._Paços_de_Ferreira 32
>>>> Symbols_of_Portugal 32
>>>> Politics_of_Toledo_(Spain) 32
>>>>
>>>> The same in September [D]:
>>>> Alfonso_I_of_Asturias 21
>>>> Indiasummer95 13
>>>> Vitālijs_Astafjevs 12
>>>> A.C._Perugia_Calcio 10
>>>> Morangos_com_Açúcar 9
>>>> Azad_Ali 9
>>>> Million_Muslim_March 8
>>>> Islam_in_the_Czech_Republic 7
>>>> Szilárd_Németh 7
>>>> Matteo_Ferrari 6
>>>>
>>>> Inspecting closing on the dates of his/her edits to Tell_Mama_UK
(page
>>>> id 39683645) [E]
>>>> 2013-08-11 4
>>>> 2013-08-15 56
>>>> 2013-08-16 6
>>>>
>>>> However if I look at the history page I don't see 56 edits from
>>>> him/her on that page (I count 36 total on the entire page):
>>>>
>>>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tell_Mama_UK&action=history
>>>>
>>>> So.. that makes me wonder...
>>>> 1) was something broken around 15th August in EventLogging - were we
>>>> reporting successes that weren't and thus the data is skewed (e.g.
>>>> AbuseFilter related) ? Is there a logical explanation for this or is
>>>> something indeed weird - can anyone suggest a reason?
>>>> 2) Is this people getting used to the editor/wikitext - making lots
of
>>>> mistakes early on and then
getting better at using it?
>>>> 3) Is it indeed seasonal / people getting bored after initial
>>>> excitement of editing?
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/Indiasummer95?mobileact…
>>>> [2]
>>>>
https://es.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/La%20Avatar%20Korra?mob…
>>>> [3]
>>>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/Nick1372?mobileaction=b…
이민혁?mobileaction=beta
>>>> [5]
>>>>
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserProfile/KurtWags3?mobileaction=…
>>>>
>>>> [A] SELECT event_username, count(*) from MobileWebEditing_5644223
>>>> where event_action = 'success' and timestamp LIKE
'201308%' group by
>>>> event_username
>>>> [B] SELECT event_username, count(*) from MobileWebEditing_5644223
>>>> where event_action = 'success' and timestamp LIKE
'201309%' group by
>>>> event_username
>>>> [C] SELECT enwiki.page.page_title, count(*) from
>>>> MobileWebEditing_5644223 INNER JOIN enwiki.page on
enwiki.page.page_id
>>>> = event_pageId where wiki =
'enwiki' and event_action = 'success'
and
>>>> event_userName =
'Indiasummer95' and timestamp LIKE '201308%' group
by
>>>> event_pageId
>>>> [D] SELECT enwiki.page.page_title, count(*) from
>>>> MobileWebEditing_5644223 INNER JOIN enwiki.page on
enwiki.page.page_id
>>>> = event_pageId where wiki =
'enwiki' and event_action = 'success'
and
>>>> event_userName =
'Indiasummer95' and timestamp LIKE '201309%' group
by
>>>> event_pageId
>>>> [E] SELECT DATE(timestamp), count(*) from MobileWebEditing_5644223
>>>> where wiki = 'enwiki' and event_action = 'success' and
event_userName
>>>> = 'Indiasummer95' and
timestamp LIKE '201308%' and event_pageId =
>>>> 39683645 group by DATE(timestamp)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Kenan Wang <kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>>>> > I'll try to block out
some time to look at creating those two
graphs
>>>> > tomorrow. Let me know if you
want to help.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 8:09 PM, Kenan Wang
<kwang(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Adding Dario to this thread.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So the main question is why is the number of edits going down
from
>>>> >> august
>>>> >> to september while the number of unique editors is going up?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Few theories:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) Problem with data - seems unlikely per Jon's analysis.
Also,
both
>>>> >> numbers come from the
same data source.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2) Change in the makeup of editors - not conclusive from the
data
>>>> >> but it
>>>> >> seems that the number of edits from new editors and experienced
>>>> >> editors are
>>>> >> following the same general pattern.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 3) Change in edits per session - no analysis done towards this
yet.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I'd like to take a look at:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1) a daily graph over the same two month period on unique daily
>>>> >> editors
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 2) a daily graph of edits per session over the same two month
>>>> >> period
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Few things to keep in mind:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -It seems that there is not a seasonality difference in desktop
>>>> >> edits, but
>>>> >> as pointed out by Steven Walling it's not necessarily true
that
>>>> >> desktop
>>>> >> edits and mobile edits will follow the same seasonality
patterns.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -Seasonality also wouldn't account for the skew between
unique
>>>> >> editors and
>>>> >> raw edits.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -This effect seems fairly centered on enwiki, however mobile
captcha
>>>> >> support was introduced
and may affect numbers for other projects
in
>>>> >> some off
>>>> >> setting fashion
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -The spike in number of edits occurs roughly between Aug 12 -
30,
>>>> >> particularly 23-30. In that time section level editing was
>>>> >> introduced on
>>>> >> August 27.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Jon Robson <
jrobson(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> If you look at my graphs this theory doesn't seem to
hold....
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 9 Oct 2013 12:24, "Tomasz Finc"
<tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 9:32 AM, Maryana Pinchuk
>>>> >>>> <mpinchuk(a)wikimedia.org>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>> > One theory: most of our enwiki power users tried
mobile
editing
>>>> >>>> > early
>>>> >>>> > on and
>>>> >>>> > made their customarily high number of edits per
session in
>>>> >>>> > August, but
>>>> >>>> > they
>>>> >>>> > weren't retained on mobile and didn't stick
around through
>>>> >>>> > September.
>>>> >>>> > Meanwhile, new users continue to flood in, but they
only
make an
>>>> >>>> > edit
>>>> >>>> > or two
>>>> >>>> > and leave. If this is the case, it makes a strong
argument
for
>>> >>>> > working
>>> >>>> > on
>>> >>>> > things like mobile GettingStarted/KeepGoing to bump up
early
>>> >>>> > engagement for
>>> >>>> > newbies, and article histories/contrib views and other
power
>>> >>>> > user
>>> >>>> > features
>>> >>>> > for oldbies :)
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> This could be an interesting theory. Kenan, what do you
think
>>> >>>> about
>>> >>>> reaching out to a handful of those editors that dropped and
ask
>>> >>>> them
>>> >>>> why?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --tomasz
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >>
>>> >> Kenan Wang
>>> >> Product Manager, Mobile
>>> >> Wikimedia Foundation
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> >
>>> > Kenan Wang
>>> > Product Manager, Mobile
>>> > Wikimedia Foundation
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kenan Wang
>> Product Manager, Mobile
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kenan Wang
> Product Manager, Mobile
> Wikimedia Foundation
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