Hi,
I think everyone should be very sensitive around personal data, even more
so of this nature.
As long as we can make the need for the data clear to participants and
those involved, it should be acceptable in my opinion and we can probably
learn things about the project dyamics from such research.
It is definately better if we can improve how we understand each other.
Thanks,
RhinosF1
On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 12:14, Delphine Ménard <dmenard(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
Thank you for clarifying Jonathan. I am with you when
it comes to the
sensitivity of handling any data of this sort (and any personal data, for
that matter).
As to the need for this kind of data, I believe that it is actually
extremely important. I have to say that in 15 years in the movement, I have
been wondering how we could better learn about the people who participate
in our projects and how this knowledge would affect the way we interact
with each other. I think that there are a lot of things we are not doing
well right now *because* we don't know for sure where people in the
movement actually even categorize themselves. The same way we
translate things for people to have them in their own language,
understanding people's neurological differences or social constraints and
their prevalence in our communities might be tremendously helpful in order
to design training for conflict resolution, newcomers integration, staff
training to work with community members, and even, I imagine, for something
as important as writing the code of conduct in a way that makes sense for
*everyone*.
As I am developing my program around onboarding WMF staff around community
and movement, this is definitely something I want to make sure that we
don't overlook, because I think that the better we understand each other,
the easier it is to work together productively.
Best,
Delphine
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 9:35 PM Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Gerard,
To clarify, what grosses me out ("makes me uncomfortable") is the
prospect
of third parties gathering and storing sensitive
personal information
about
individual Wikipedia editors without proper
oversight mechanisms. Health
and medical data is one of the most sensitive kinds of individual data
that
exists. In the United States, as in many other
countries, access to this
information is heavily regulated--as it should be. Researchers who gather
this kind of data should be held to a very high standard of proof that
they
will use the data responsibly, and take specific
care to avoid
information
leakage. Ideally, they should be held legally
responsible for proper
behavior--and that depends heavily on their local jurisdiction and on
their
own truthfulness and transparency--things the
rest of us in the movement
have little control over. In my opinion, anyone who cares about both
science and ethics should always err on the side of avoiding harm
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belmont_Report>--even if that sometimes
means refraining from asking research questions that have scientific
merit
or that could yield practical community benefit.
To your comment about Clarice Phelps, I'm not aware of this individual
(or
article?) and do not know what you are referring
to. But I would caution
you not to make public speculative statements about the mental health
status of any editor, or make generalizations about the motivations or
actions of all people who you believe have particular mental
characteristics, based on specific incidents you have witnessed or
interactions you have had. If I have misread your statement, I apologize
for the error.
Best,
Jonathan
On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 11:29 AM Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> Hoi,
> We regularly have problems with people. We have people who are banned
> because people think they are problematic. We have banned people who
have
contributed hugely to our projects. The notion that it is stigmatising
is a
> notion whereby we wash our hands in innocence, we do not want to know.
>
> It is one thing that you personally are grossed out but I hope you
> understand that given that this is an issue we need to address. It is
not
only
people who do not care for rules, it is also the people who obsess
about rules. You find it in the excessive attention for Clarice Phelps.
People do get hurt, people do get traumatised because of this
inattention.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Thu, 2 Apr 2020 at 17:58, Jonathan Morgan <jmorgan(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
There's this study
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:The_Construction_and_Application_o…
> > >
> > but I don't know if it was ever completed (and as you can infer from
my
>
posts on the talkpage, I very much hope it was NOT).
>
> In general, any kind of psychometric profiling of Wikipedia editors
kind
of
> grosses me out. But as an armchair psychologist myself, as well as a
> non-neurotypical individual, sure I'm happy to hypothesize that there
are
> > many of us in the projects. It takes a certain mindset to find the
> process
> > of building an encyclopedia using 20-year old software paradigms to
be
> > engaging ;)
> >
> > - J
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 2, 2020 at 8:49 AM RhinosF1 - <rhinosf1(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
> > > Evening all,
> > >
> > > I hope everyone is doing well given the crazy world we’re living
in.
> > >
> > > I was having a conversation with a few users on Discord today and
we
were
> > wondering whether wikimedia (or users of other similiar sites would
be
> > > fine) disproportinately fall into the category of having aspergers,
> ADHD
> > > and other simmilar conditions.
> > >
> > > It would be even better if anyone knew what sort of areas these
users
>
were
> > more likely to work in.
> >
> > Following a chat with Issac in #wikimedia-research, I understand
there
> > > isn’t much support for this kind of research as users may not want
to
> >
reveal this information and there is no clear reason for collecting
the
> > > information but if anyone knows of past research or has any
> information,
> > > that would be helpful.
> > >
> > > Stay Safe,
> > > RhinosF1
> > > --
> > > Thanks,
> > > Samuel
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