I'm all for as much transparency as possible! The only possible drawback I can see is that some people have an (entirely justifiable, in some situations) preference not to have their salary plastered all over the Internet. This in turn might make them less than eager to apply for jobs with a chapter, which in turn means that the chapter might not get the absolute best person for the job. Personally though, I think that tradeoff is worth it, at least for senior staff. Cheers, Craig On 4 February 2012 04:38, Thierry Coudray <thierry.coudray(a)wikimedia.fr>wrote;wrote:

Hi Thierry, On 03.02.2012 19:38, Thierry Coudray wrote: I can't speak much for France but I'd like to share some of the WMDE perspective. I hope it's useful to you or anyone else who is considering hiring chapter staff. When Wikimedia Deutschland started hiring actively recruiting employees in 2008, we had a similar discussion regarding how we want to go about setting and disclosing wages. As a preface, probably similarly to France, talking about one's own wage is someewhat of a taboo in Germany. While there are pay scales available for the public sector, which allow you to infer what wage range a particular position is paid, no such disclosure is typically available for the private sector, whether for- or non-profit. Exceptions are heavily unionized industries where pay scales are negotiated at a very high and broad level. That being said, the most important goal for us when setting hiring practices was that we wanted to get staff that would be most effective. Effectiveness typically requires competence and motivation, the attributes that almost any other employer also looks for. With that goal in mind, there were a number of factors to consider: * The German workforce is shrinking. Our unemployment rate has been steadily decreasing for years and is now close to levels not seen since the 1980s. Birth rates have been rather low in Germany for decades meaning less and less people are entering the job market. At the same time, record numbers of people are retiring and immigration is close to non-existent. That means that more and more employers are competing for less and less candidates. * The kind of work we do and the skills associated with that work are rare to find. Many of the problems we are trying to tackle are new in the sense that nobody else before us has attempted or succeeded in them. Nobody knows, for example, how to get more people to engage in collaboratively producing an encyclopedia, text books, etc. online. Consider how many attempts WMDE, the Foundation, and others have made in trying to recruit new editors, and how few of those have succeeded. Similarly, nobody really knows how to reform a public education system to move towards utilizing free knowledge resources rather than proprietary printed works. Similarly, nobody really knows how to influence an online community to become more effective, more self-sustaining, and more self-regenerating. The "newness" of many of the challenges we are trying to tackle means we need people who are highly creative, open to take risks, and able to deal with highly complex scenarios. * There are a number of well-funded organizations looking for the same kind of people. Many of the problems we're trying to solve are also problems other organizations like Google, Facebook, numerous startups, and some traditional companies interested in diversifying are trying to solve. It is clear that we cannot compete on pay with many of them. That doesn't mean that we can ignore their rates because, in the end, our staff has to be able to pay rent, cover their cost of living, and lead a satisfying life just as much as theirs does. * We are not like the public sector. People that choose to work for the government (or quasi-governmental entities) tend to accept lower than market rates because they get other benefits such as job security, generous pension plans, and a high sense of stability in return. We can't really offer those things. Our situation is much more like a startup than a provider of public services. There's today no telling what Wikimedia Deutschland will look 2 much less 5 or 10 years from now--or if it will even exist anymore. That's very different from a public service provider like a school or some administrative agency, which probably won't change all that much in that kind of timeframe. Taking these factors into account meant that, in general, we would have orient ourselves more along actual market rates rather than public sector pay scales, discounted by a "mission factor" which takes into account that we also wanted to find staff that personally identifies with our mission and wants to work for us to a large portion because of that. Trying to get the best people for each job also means that there's typically not a set pay scale for each position--rather wages and benefits are negotiated one-on-one. As a result, two project managers with different experience, qualifications, subject areas, and negotiation skills, for example, will usually not get paid the same amount. If we had opted to go the route of "full transparency" instead, we would have severely diminished our ability to negotiate individually, significantly impairing our ability to hire the best staff. We would, in our judgment, have appeared much less attractive to candidates who might also consider working for other employers that don't publicly disclose their pay scales. The German job market is highly competitive with unemployment rates for years steadily decreasing to levels not seen since the late 1980s. It doesn't look like this is going to move in the opposite direction anytime soon with a lot of low birth-rate generations entering the workforce, high number of people retiring, and immigration at rather insignificant levels. Best regards, Sebastian Moleski President ------------------------------------- Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. Eisenacher Straße 2 10777 Berlin Telefon 030 - 219 158 26-0 www.wikimedia.de Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge allen Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. 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