[Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki

Sun Apr 29 11:31:09 UTC 2007

Hoi!

> Would you please define the expression "internal mafia" to us.
Internal power structure = The complex set of personal friendships, hidden solidarities, private phone calls, etc 
PLUS 
the administrative roles and the power to ban people and protect articles
PLUS 
control over the interface.

Is that clear enough? Your turn with definitions, now, I'm still waiting to know who is "respectable" in Belarus'.

Bèrto ‘d Sèra
Personagi dl’ann 2006 për l’arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojàotri)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html

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From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Cajcyc
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:20 PM
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Dear Berto,

I personally did not loose any admin privileges in "be" as I actually never had ones.. I'm glad that being wiki admin and feeling power this way seems to be something sexual and so much valuable to you.

The "classical orthography"  Wikipedia was - read my lips - the FIRST to be there on wikipedia.org. It was created TWO YEARS before the official orthography supporters organised their initiative. It had and has a developed structure, rules etc. The path could only be creating parallel "classical"-official interfaces and article versions within one Wiki - and the work was going that way, the problem was purely technical. But once upon a time the brave Wikimedia administration just came in and put the whole project on a discriminating "-x-old" domain and gave the be-wiki to the official orthography initiative. 

Thanks for not deleting it, really.

AC

-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Berto 'd Sera
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:48 PM
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Oh my God...

Define "intelligentsiya". I did not know we had "cultural level codes"...

Listen you guys cannot one day come here and claim that "there are less differences than between EN_US and EN_UK" and the other come here and tell us that it's a tragedy because we censor you as a unique language.

It's either TWO languages or not. If yes:
- yours hasn't got an ISO code and shouldn't be hosted here
If no:
- the only thing that changed is minor things like "neighbor=neighbour" AND the admin structure. That is, you lost your internal mafia and cry for that.

I can understand that power is often a matter in human societies, yet... what do you get from being an admin in a wiki? Do you become popular? Do you have more sexual partners? Or do you get money to allow this or that article to be published? I don't know...

Start from defining "intelligentsiya", I'm really curious.

Bèrto 'd Sèra
Personagi dl'ann 2006 për l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojàotri)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html

-----Original Message-----
From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Cajcyc
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:35 PM
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The 2005 paper bases on pre-reformed orthography used in emigrant communities and among intelligentsiya. It sums it up and standartises it.

Soviet-orthography wikipedians refused to compromise, so there will be two Belarusian wikipedias :(

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From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of GerardM
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:22 PM
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Hoi,
The names you suggest are not what I would consider good proposals. Given
that this orthography is based on a paper in 2005 it hardly qualifies as
classic.
Thanks,
    Gerard

On 4/29/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex at bk.ru> wrote:
>
> By the way, when will the wikipedia prefix for Classical Belarusian
> changed to something reasonable from the temporary "be-x-old"? A good
> proposal was "be-classic", "be-class" or similar.
>
> A.C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Ihar Hrachyshka
> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:56 PM
> To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
>
> У Няд, 29/04/2007 у 09:08 +0200, Andre Engels піша:
> > Doing interwiki links to be-x-old: is now possible; however, both
> > wikipedias now have "Беларуская" as the name for the language. I think
> > there should be an extra specification to distinguish the two, just
> > like nb: does not have 'Norsk' any more, but is called 'Norsk
> > (bokmål)'.
> >
> > Does anyone who knows Belarus have good idea for the separate names?
> > My own guess does not get further than a translation of "Belarussian
> > (official)" for be:
> >
> be-x-old should be named like "Беларуская (тарашкевіца)"
>
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