[Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki

Sun Apr 29 11:31:48 UTC 2007

Hoi,
The fact that you usurped the name Belarusian using for your script
exclusively is and was not acceptable. Your presentation of history is wrong
because there was a request for a Wikipedia in the official orthography. The
discussions where clear; there was no willingness to cooperate. Nothing
technical there.

Discriminating; sure. There is the disgrace that the Belarusian Wikipedias
have to deal with having two wikipedias. I hope they do. I think that your
intelligentsia and Berto's mafia are quite similar. They are groups that
assume they have a right to things that are not necessarily theirs to have.

Thanks,
     GerardM

On 4/29/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex at bk.ru> wrote:
>
> Dear Berto,
>
> Would you please define the expression "internal mafia" to us.
>
> I personally did not loose any admin privileges in "be" as I actually
> never had ones. Surprisingly, now I _am_ an admin in be-x-old. I'm glad that
> being wiki admin and feeling power this way seems to be something sexual and
> so much valuable to you.
>
> The "classical orthography"  Wikipedia was - read my lips - the FIRST to
> be there on wikipedia.org. It was created TWO YEARS before the official
> orthography supporters organised their initiative. It had and has a
> developed structure, rules etc. The path could only be creating parallel
> "classical"-official interfaces and article versions within one Wiki - and
> the work was going that way, the problem was purely technical. But once upon
> a time the brave Wikimedia administration just came in and put the whole
> project on a discriminating "-x-old" domain and gave the be-wiki to the
> official orthography initiative.
>
> Thanks for not deleting it, really.
>
> AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Berto 'd Sera
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:48 PM
> To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
>
> Oh my God...
>
> Define "intelligentsiya". I did not know we had "cultural level codes"...
>
> Listen you guys cannot one day come here and claim that "there are less
> differences than between EN_US and EN_UK" and the other come here and tell
> us that it's a tragedy because we censor you as a unique language.
>
> It's either TWO languages or not. If yes:
> - yours hasn't got an ISO code and shouldn't be hosted here
> If no:
> - the only thing that changed is minor things like "neighbor=neighbour"
> AND the admin structure. That is, you lost your internal mafia and cry for
> that.
>
> I can understand that power is often a matter in human societies, yet...
> what do you get from being an admin in a wiki? Do you become popular? Do you
> have more sexual partners? Or do you get money to allow this or that article
> to be published? I don't know...
>
> Start from defining "intelligentsiya", I'm really curious.
>
> Bèrto 'd Sèra
> Personagi dl'ann 2006 për l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojàotri)
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Cajcyc
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 1:35 PM
> To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
>
> The 2005 paper bases on pre-reformed orthography used in emigrant
> communities and among intelligentsiya. It sums it up and standartises it.
>
> Soviet-orthography wikipedians refused to compromise, so there will be two
> Belarusian wikipedias :(
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of GerardM
> Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2007 2:22 PM
> To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
>
> Hoi,
> The names you suggest are not what I would consider good proposals. Given
> that this orthography is based on a paper in 2005 it hardly qualifies as
> classic.
> Thanks,
>     Gerard
>
> On 4/29/07, Alexander Cajcyc <czalex at bk.ru> wrote:
> >
> > By the way, when will the wikipedia prefix for Classical Belarusian
> > changed to something reasonable from the temporary "be-x-old"? A good
> > proposal was "be-classic", "be-class" or similar.
> >
> > A.C.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
> > wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org]On Behalf Of Ihar Hrachyshka
> > Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 10:56 PM
> > To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] be: and be-x-old: interwiki
> >
> > У Няд, 29/04/2007 у 09:08 +0200, Andre Engels піша:
> > > Doing interwiki links to be-x-old: is now possible; however, both
> > > wikipedias now have "Беларуская" as the name for the language. I think
> > > there should be an extra specification to distinguish the two, just
> > > like nb: does not have 'Norsk' any more, but is called 'Norsk
> > > (bokmål)'.
> > >
> > > Does anyone who knows Belarus have good idea for the separate names?
> > > My own guess does not get further than a translation of "Belarussian
> > > (official)" for be:
> > >
> > be-x-old should be named like "Беларуская (тарашкевіца)"
> >
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