[Wikipedia-l] From Romanian Wikipedia, the Nazi Encyclopedia

Sun Apr 15 13:50:53 UTC 2007

Hoi again!

Francis and John, pls bear in mind that to stand in front of an Arbitration
Committee you will need to have full translations of the articles AND a
permalink to the translated version.

Bear in mind that mostly the people in the Arbitration Committee will not be
able to read the original text and that your opponents will obviously say
you have totally misunderstood the text. The ArbCom will not judge whether
being a left/right wing is nice, it will judge whether a wiki is publishing
encyclopedic content or not. 

What a report needs to show (for example) is:
1) There is a clear political (moral/religious/racial) bias in the wiki
2) Articles do not have an encyclopedic form, they rather appear to be a
"Pravda" (no sources, no countering POVs listed, just a "revelation")
3) Derogative racial/national/etc terms are used as normal lexicon 

The political/religious/moral/racial direction towards the wiki is drifting
is absolutely irrelevant. Any organized bias is intolerable as such. 

Berto 'd Sera
Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html

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You can check out a small list here, it is by no means complete.

http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilizator:FrancisTyers

Fran

On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 14:07 +0300, Berto 'd Sera wrote:
> Hoi!
> 
> Sadly enough ro.wiki is not an exception. Can you provide complete
> translations with permalinks? I hear there shall soon be a special
Committee
> deciding whether such wikies shall remain part of the wikipedia project or
> be expelled altogether.
> 
> Moreover, if wmf does not act on legal level as such I, along with other
> individuals may be willing to try individuals in Court asking refund for
the
> damage they cause to the wmf. 
> 
> It's time we get rid of racism and nationalistic deliriums. And it's time
we
> have people condemned to pay for what they do, if and when what they do is
a
> crime. It's not only about the Jews, the Slavic wikies have a number of
such
> abnormal behaviours based on internal tribalism, too. 
> 
> We aren't working for free all day long just to have these idiots put
their
> penises on a table to measure who's got it longer. It's time we take a
> stand, methinks. Same applies to equivalent red or religious deliriums, if
> any. Enough is enough. One odd article happens everywhere, but a full
trend
> is another thing.
> 
> We publish encyclopedic content, not someone's dumb political pamphlets.
> People either acknowledge what "encyclopedia" means or learn to pay for
> their servers.
> 
> Berto 'd Sera
> Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri)
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Kavalos
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:50 PM
> To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] From Romanian Wikipedia, the Nazi Encyclopedia
> 
> There are some serious issues on Romanian Wikipedia, where a few Nazis
> have been taking over lots of articles, while the admins are
> supporting and defending them.
> 
> I tried arguing, but it's useless with such a horde of freaks.
> 
> The issue is spread on dozens of articles and I choose for example,
> one of them, the article on Zionism:
> 
> http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sionism
> 
> The article on Zionism is completely written from an anti-semitic POV,
> and it even has a section of comparison between Zionism and Fascism,
> one about propaganda in the "corporatist press" and one about "ethnic
> purification".
> 
> Here are some excerpts:
> 
> "Zionism is not Judaism, not Semitism (sic!), but a racist ideology which
> glorifies violence, just like Fascism"
> 
> "the Jewish Romanians of Bessarabia betrayed the interests of their
> country"
> 
> "later, Zionism got a fascist "colour". Vladimir Jabotinsky is an
ideologue
> of terrorism, while the first modern terrorist state, Bolshevik Russia..."
> 
> "when their leave was refused, the same Bolshevik-Zionist-anti-nationals
> become refuseniks, then neo-conservatives by leaving directly to America,
> where they promote Zionist wars."
> 
> There's absolutely nothing that can be kept from that article. Everything
> is just the lowest kind of anti-semitic propaganda.
> 
> So I tried to revert to an older explaining that it's written from a
> neo-nazi POV. I got a warning for that, it was reverted and protected.
> 
> I don't want to waste my time negotiating with Nazis. Any solution,
> apart from stopping editing Romanian Wikipedia?
> 
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