[Wikipedia-l] From Romanian Wikipedia, the Nazi Encyclopedia

Sun Apr 15 14:16:07 UTC 2007

You need to find a few native Romanian speakers to back you up. If my
friend greets an American in Chinese, and the American asks me what my
friend said, if I wanted to sabotage my friend, I could say that he
was insulting him in Chinese.

2007/4/15, Berto 'd Sera <albertoserra at ukr.net>:
> Hoi again!
>
> Francis and John, pls bear in mind that to stand in front of an Arbitration
> Committee you will need to have full translations of the articles AND a
> permalink to the translated version.
>
> Bear in mind that mostly the people in the Arbitration Committee will not be
> able to read the original text and that your opponents will obviously say
> you have totally misunderstood the text. The ArbCom will not judge whether
> being a left/right wing is nice, it will judge whether a wiki is publishing
> encyclopedic content or not.
>
> What a report needs to show (for example) is:
> 1) There is a clear political (moral/religious/racial) bias in the wiki
> 2) Articles do not have an encyclopedic form, they rather appear to be a
> "Pravda" (no sources, no countering POVs listed, just a "revelation")
> 3) Derogative racial/national/etc terms are used as normal lexicon
>
> The political/religious/moral/racial direction towards the wiki is drifting
> is absolutely irrelevant. Any organized bias is intolerable as such.
>
> Berto 'd Sera
> Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri)
> http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Francis Tyers
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 3:13 PM
> To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] From Romanian Wikipedia, the Nazi Encyclopedia
>
> You can check out a small list here, it is by no means complete.
>
> http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilizator:FrancisTyers
>
> Fran
>
> On Sun, 2007-04-15 at 14:07 +0300, Berto 'd Sera wrote:
> > Hoi!
> >
> > Sadly enough ro.wiki is not an exception. Can you provide complete
> > translations with permalinks? I hear there shall soon be a special
> Committee
> > deciding whether such wikies shall remain part of the wikipedia project or
> > be expelled altogether.
> >
> > Moreover, if wmf does not act on legal level as such I, along with other
> > individuals may be willing to try individuals in Court asking refund for
> the
> > damage they cause to the wmf.
> >
> > It's time we get rid of racism and nationalistic deliriums. And it's time
> we
> > have people condemned to pay for what they do, if and when what they do is
> a
> > crime. It's not only about the Jews, the Slavic wikies have a number of
> such
> > abnormal behaviours based on internal tribalism, too.
> >
> > We aren't working for free all day long just to have these idiots put
> their
> > penises on a table to measure who's got it longer. It's time we take a
> > stand, methinks. Same applies to equivalent red or religious deliriums, if
> > any. Enough is enough. One odd article happens everywhere, but a full
> trend
> > is another thing.
> >
> > We publish encyclopedic content, not someone's dumb political pamphlets.
> > People either acknowledge what "encyclopedia" means or learn to pay for
> > their servers.
> >
> > Berto 'd Sera
> > Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri)
> > http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of John Kavalos
> > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:50 PM
> > To: wikipedia-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > Subject: [Wikipedia-l] From Romanian Wikipedia, the Nazi Encyclopedia
> >
> > There are some serious issues on Romanian Wikipedia, where a few Nazis
> > have been taking over lots of articles, while the admins are
> > supporting and defending them.
> >
> > I tried arguing, but it's useless with such a horde of freaks.
> >
> > The issue is spread on dozens of articles and I choose for example,
> > one of them, the article on Zionism:
> >
> > http://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sionism
> >
> > The article on Zionism is completely written from an anti-semitic POV,
> > and it even has a section of comparison between Zionism and Fascism,
> > one about propaganda in the "corporatist press" and one about "ethnic
> > purification".
> >
> > Here are some excerpts:
> >
> > "Zionism is not Judaism, not Semitism (sic!), but a racist ideology which
> > glorifies violence, just like Fascism"
> >
> > "the Jewish Romanians of Bessarabia betrayed the interests of their
> > country"
> >
> > "later, Zionism got a fascist "colour". Vladimir Jabotinsky is an
> ideologue
> > of terrorism, while the first modern terrorist state, Bolshevik Russia..."
> >
> > "when their leave was refused, the same Bolshevik-Zionist-anti-nationals
> > become refuseniks, then neo-conservatives by leaving directly to America,
> > where they promote Zionist wars."
> >
> > There's absolutely nothing that can be kept from that article. Everything
> > is just the lowest kind of anti-semitic propaganda.
> >
> > So I tried to revert to an older explaining that it's written from a
> > neo-nazi POV. I got a warning for that, it was reverted and protected.
> >
> > I don't want to waste my time negotiating with Nazis. Any solution,
> > apart from stopping editing Romanian Wikipedia?
> >
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