[Wikipedia-l] Starting a new wiki

James R. Johnson modean52 at comcast.net
Tue Sep 21 03:38:56 UTC 2004

I thought it would be created also...there was quite a bit of support when I
originally proposed the idea, and then everyone started talking about
Chinese and Gothic.  The only reason I heard against it is that someone
didn't feel like it.  But, what about all the wikis with less than 10
articles?  Looks like they don't feel like it either.

I looked, and the Afar, Armenian, Assamese, Aymara, Bashkir, Bengali,
Bhojpuri, Bislama, Burmese, Dzongkha, Fijian, Georgian, Greenlandic,
Gujarati, Kannada, Kashmiri, Kazakh, Khmer, Kyrgiz, Lao, Lojban, Quechua,
Manx, Nepali, Oriya, Oromo, Panjabi, Pashtu, Rumansh, Sardinian, Setswana,
Somali, Sindhi, Sotho, Tajik, Telugu, Tibetan, Tongan, Tsonga, Turkmen, Twi,
Uighur, and Xhosa have 10 or fewer articles.  Are those who thought little
of Gothic or Anglo-Saxon going to look again at those wikis?

Just a thought.


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark Williamson
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:50 PM
To: wikipedia-l at wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Starting a new wiki

Well, you have a number of different options.

The first and probably best would be to go to Wikipedia forks such as
Wikinfo and mcfly (ok, maybe not mcfly) and tell them how the folks at
the Wikimedia organisation are... well,   describe your plight. Some
forks really hate the Wikimedia foundation and will feel very sorry
for you and assist you with such a project, whereas others seem to be
meant more to augment Wikipedia and their users still contribute to
Wikipedia on a regular basis.

Another option would be to pay for private hosting and set up the
MediaWiki software yourself, which I can tell you is not going to be
very pleasant if you're not experienced in setting up server-side
apps. You could probably also hire somebody to maintain the software
for you (often hosting companies will offer such services), but that's
just another additional cost.

The only other option I can think of at the moment is to use one of
the free wiki hosts available on the internet. Let me tell you in
advance, they all suck. Really, really suck. But obviously, they are
free so you don't have to pay anybody as you would in the second


I thought the final decision was to go ahead and create ang:?

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 16:36:25 -0400, James R. Johnson
<modean52 at comcast.net> wrote:
> So, in the interest of the Anglo-Saxon wikipedia, how do I, personally,
> it up outside the wikimedia foundation, so that I can get it started?
> James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikipedia-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org
> [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Evan Prodromou
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:16 AM
> To: wikipedia-l at Wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikipedia-l] Starting a new wiki
> Tim Starling wrote:
> > People underestimate the cost involved in setting up a wiki.
> Once again I'd like to point out that having a language-specific Wikipedia
> is
> not usually the best way to organize, promote, or develop a language.
> It's probably much better for a group of interested people working on a
> small or
> endangered language to set up a general-purpose wiki that encompasses the
> Wikimedia ideas of a Wikipedia, Wiktionary, a language-learning Wikibook,
> and
> perhaps a few other community- or discussion-oriented purposes.
> There are a _lot_ of free or low-cost PHP hosting services that can host a
> wiki.
> Mediawiki can be hard to set up on these services, since MySQL usually
> significantly more, but there are a number of other wiki engines* that
> with
>   flat files and don't require a database.
> Anyways: I think the best strategy is to tell people who want to have a
> Wikipedia in their language to go start a wiki somewhere else. If they can
> show
> that they have a robust community that can support a Wikipedia, then they
> should
> get an xx.wikipedia.org domain (as well as other xx.wikisomething.org
> stuff).
> ~ESP
> * I can hear it now: "Huh? There are other wiki engines? There are other
> wikis?
> I can set up my own? Huh?"
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