[Wikipedia-l] what people I know have to say about anglicization

[Bridget]

MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner?
Bakunin 18: Er, as they are pronounced by their populations?
MarderIII: yes
Bakunin 18: I think so
MarderIII: wikipedia banned me over that question
MarderIII: i really fucking hate people right now
Bakunin 18: You can't switch IPs?
MarderIII: i can 
MarderIII: i already did it once
MarderIII: i found some good info on the Taino
MarderIII: and so i added it
MarderIII: and then some troll went and deleted it because I was banned and not allowed to contribute
Bakunin 18: That's... incredibly stupid.
MarderIII: they are also threatning to ban other people who don't think I was so uncontrollab
MarderIII: e
Bakunin 18: Is there not some head admin you can talk to?
MarderIII: he is very mad at me
Bakunin 18: Oh

MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner?
opium4themasses: hrm
opium4themasses: well, it would be best if they did
opium4themasses: well no...
MarderIII: wikipedia banned me over the question
opium4themasses: erg?
MarderIII: I came to the conclusion that it boiled down to a latent racism from not considering the other culture's name to have any real tangible value in excess of the outsiders name
opium4themasses: hrm, maybe not racism
opium4themasses: more just egocentric
MarderIII: I believe names are very important 
MarderIII: egocentrism is racism I believe
opium4themasses: it's more than just racism

MarderIII: should people pronounce the names of foreign places in the foreign manner?
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: no
MarderIII: why not?
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: because you are not in the foreign place
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: i have someone at work mad at me
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: someone in brazil
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: the program puts Brazil at the top of their report
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: however in Brazil they spell Brazil like this Brasil
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: they don't like that i spell brazil the correct way in the us
MarderIII: So shouldnt we start saying Brasil?
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: but if i spell it brasil then people in the us will think i spelled it wrong
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: no
MarderIII: they are just uneducated though
MarderIII: its Brasil
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: does germany call germany germany
MarderIII: Brazil is just a mistake that a foreigner made
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: or deustchland
MarderIII: Deutschland
MarderIII: I want to go to Deutschland
MarderIII: not Germany
MarderIII: Germany is an american tourist spot
MarderIII: Deutschland is a real place
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: i am sure the germans do not call the united states the united states
MarderIII: who are we to say what germans should do
MarderIII: we need to focus on us
MarderIII: and set a good example
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: yet it is proper to pronounce people's names as they pronounce them in their home country
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: so perhaps proper names should be pronounced as the local people wish them to be pronounced
MarderIII: I agree
MarderIII: and of course there are difficult questions
MarderIII: like what should Asia be called?
MarderIII: I for one, am not particular, as to whether we refer to it in Chinese or Vietnamese
MarderIII: but surely we should use an Asian language
MarderIII: and as Chinese are the most populous
MarderIII: I would much rather use the Chinese name for Asia
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: now i disagree
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: you should call everything whatever your local language calls it
MarderIII: why?
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: it is a different language
MarderIII: why should that matter?
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: your language can call it whatever it deems proper
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: it is language
MarderIII: thats a good point
MarderIII: languages are code
MarderIII: but what about names?
MarderIII: personal names?
Franz[name omitted for privacy reasons]: they should be as the person call themselves
MarderIII: what about Christopher Columbus
MarderIII: he never called himself such

 



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