I certainly agree that organization at meta is severely lacking. The high-traffic areas with dedicated workers tend to be well-organized specifically because there are few workers, so that's needed for things to run smoothly. But for most of the wiki there is a hodge-podge which is a challenge for even experienced wikimedians to navigate through. Archiving old stuff to a dedicated namespace seems like one very easy way to reduce the clutter.
Mike
-----Original Message----- From: wikimediameta-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediameta-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Herby Sent: June 9, 2008 6:19 AM To: Meta Wikimedia affairs; wikimediameta-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediameta-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimedia mouvement
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:45:34 +0200, "Florence Devouard" Anthere9@yahoo.com said:
Guillaume Paumier wrote:
Hello,
[CCing to wikimediameta-l]
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Florence Devouard Anthere9@yahoo.com
wrote:
Given that I was the one who originally suggested that it would be a good idea to open wmf editing thanks to flaggued revisions, I am not going to say it is a bad idea.
However, considering wmf site as the official hosting of information regarding all of our organization would be a huge mistake.
WMF needs to control its editorial content as it is a corporate
website.
I concur ; wikimediafoundation.org is the website of the Foundation, and that's all.
Could this be hosted on meta ?
Yes, certainly. At least for a while. But again, the role of that new site would be different from the role
of
meta and this might enter in conflict, in particular with regards to
the
main page.
In my opinion, meta-wiki already is the wiki of the wikimedia movement / community / <insert your preferred word here> ; it's the wiki where people from various Wikimedia communities, chapters, and foundation all gather.
Wikimedia projets tend to have two main pages : one main page for content (e.g. [[Main Page]]) and one main page for the community (e.g. [[Project:Community portal]]). We could use this system on meta to have two landing pages, one for PR and one for internal stuff (just like on other Wikimedia projects).
I agree that meta tends to be a mess and it should be cleaned up. It's not a new idea (see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:MetaProject_to_Overhaul_Meta ) but the project was abandoned. Some months ago I was thinking about creating a new namespace (say Historical:) to archive all the old stuff and clean up the wiki a bit.
In a word, we shouldn't open a brand new community wiki just because we're too lazy to clean up the one we've already got for years.
Fair enough :-) I would support the development of two main pages (main and community portal) as well as new workspace "historical" as a start.
Ant
The idea of looking at Meta's namespces with a view to creating clarity seems very worthwhile. For example Translations: would make some sense to me & doubtless others can come up with good ones too.
Meta is a little "casually" organised and we could improve the structure & work on there quite simply I think.