[Wikimediaindia-l] Moderation policy on WikimediaIndia-l

Jyothis Edathoot je at jyothis.net
Sun Feb 13 23:09:14 UTC 2011


Couldnt help asking, but could you please point out whom are you referring
as trolls here and who attacked you (or any member of EC) personally? As far
as I see this, community members raised multiple concerns here and other
threads about transparency in EC's actions and we, as community members,
would expect the EC to clarify things, rather than coming around and calling
them trolls and marking it as personal attacks. Such a line of defense is
not expected from a person sitting in the secretary post of the current EC.

Just to add, you very well know that the concerns that we see here is not
something new and has that has been around the time the formation plans were
announced. I hope you remember the conversation even we had and the
discussions that happened right at the out set in mailing lists. Sorry to
say this, but I dont think there was any serious efforts came from forming
group to reach out to the communities to fixi things up. Atleast not to my
knowledge and I may be wrong.

No one has said that the list mods has not done there job. If the community
feels that the current mods are getting swamped and more mods are needed, I
would assume that it is up to them, as it is their list.

just my opinion, rest of my fellow community members may disagree and
correct me if I am wrong.



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On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Hari Prasad Nadig <hpnadig at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear Achal,
> The below email seems to be trying to address too many things. I'll try to
> answer some of those. I appreciate your continued interest in the Chapter
> activity, considering that you were the one who started this out by putting
> together the initial team.
> It is probably unfair to say that the chapter hasn't communicated much on
> time in just the last one month right after it has got registered legally,
> when the information that flowed right from the time the EC was formed (by
> you) haven't gone out appropriately and on time. This has been more or less
> the case for almost two years from there. The leadership has changed in last
> month. Is that why only the last month's updates are being targeted?
> And the attack on EC has been either overreactions, emails  from trolls and
> personal attacks. Like many observed on the list, it has been everything
> else but civil.
> I personally feel that some etiquette has to be maintained on this list. Be
> it when you're sending the entire mail digests copied while responding back,
> or when people are sending bulky attachments or bulky HTML email (and when
> that gets filtered out by the spam filter and put into moderation - blame
> the mods who've been looking after this list for like 6 years now!) This
> also applies to those who've been writing making personal attacks on a
> public mailing list.
> I do not see why we should be pushing for more admins on this mailing list
> when the present admins are active and have maintained this list for all
> these years. However, since both of the mods who've been helping out as
> community members here have now ended up in the Executive Committee, I feel
> that we should probably add two more people.
> Like Delphine said, moderating lists is more of "janitor work". We'd be
> more happy if people (who aren't trolls) volunteer for this. I'd personally
> prefer someone outside the Indian Wikimedia community or the Chapter to also
> be on the moderator list among the two we add. That would probably help
> where otherwise people have been just jumping into presumptions about
> "moderation" when just the Indians are involved. From my own experience, the
> spam filter's doings have been attributed to us many a times and distrust
> has prevailed since then.
> We *do not* selectively moderate emails on this open list.
> It is deeply saddening when you read the kind of emails coming in during
> last couple of weeks, and seeing the appalling interest of few in continuing
> it rather than putting up a note pointing out to the etiquette.
> - HPN
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