[Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process

Wed Jan 15 19:03:30 UTC 2014

hi Bence,

I think that a discussion about the movement sources should be more open to
people from outside of chapters, too and their input may nevertheless be
valuable. Also, my wild guess is that Wikimania will attract many more
activists of the movement than the chapter conference anyway (especially
from outside Europe). The specific workshop can possibly be even squeezed
in during Wikimania, although organizing it before/after it would likely
allow to go into more details, and the increase in costs would be just by
one night (and some of us could stay on our own, as I will if I don't get
WMF coverage). Finally, I believe it makes much more sense to gather
comments and feedback on redesigning the FDC process after Round 2 is
finished (in May).

best,

dariusz

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Bence Damokos <bdamokos at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Pavel for sharing this.
>
> I think a bigger conversation will be on-going on Meta and in general on
> where to continue it in the real world. It might be useful to keep in mind
> that the movement has already invested and committed to bringing all
> chapters (and possibly thorgs) to the Wikimedia Conference [the potential
> funded entities] - it would be a marginal increase in cost to bring 10 more
> members of the FDC (and anyone else who is required); whereas having a
> meeting before or after Wikimania could lead to increased costs to every
> single participant and could possibly leave out chapters and stakeholders
> who cannot afford to send someone to Wikimania or to stay the extra days.
> Either way, if we want to have an inclusive in-person consultation, we
> have to invest in it - Wikimania might not be the smallest possible
> marginal investment and without right policies in place could not be the
> ideal to ensure fair participation (where all stakeholders are present, and
> individual volunteers are not inconvenienced by having to pay from their
> personal pockets for either food, travel or accommodation just to
> participate).
>
> Best regards,
> Bence
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl>wrote:
>
>> thanks indeed! I agree with many of the comments (and yes, I don't like
>> bureaucracy neither, I also am very much in favor of moving towards a
>> collaborative and trusting process, although the way you phrased it sounds
>> as if you've assumed we, at the FDC, are against it :)
>>
>> I think that beyond high-level philosophical comments there needs to be an
>> actual down-to-earth discussion about details. There is a need for
>> constructive proposals on what can be done differently and how, rather
>> than
>> what we don't like. This conversation should be done collaboratively, I
>> think. I do not believe that the upcoming chapters conference is the best
>> possible venue for such a discussion. First, most of the FDC members will
>> not be there, and I think that our presence could be useful. Second, the
>> whole FDC cycle has not finished yet (and it will finish in May). Finally,
>> much more movement activists will be present at Wikimania.
>>
>> That's why I think that 1-2 days before or after Wikimania would be the
>> best time to have an intensive, constructive session on the FDC model.
>> Also, please note that there is an FDC review process ongoing (there is a
>> community driven FDC-advisory group, etc.). Perhaps a good first step
>> would
>> be to coordinate this, <mocking mode on> rather than schedule WMDE-driven
>> redesign </mocking mode off>.
>>
>> In any case, I'm glad the conversation is starting, and I think it would
>> be
>> good to actually schedule some time for a workshop about this. My
>> suggestion is before or after Wikimania, as it is by far the easiest
>> timing
>> for many, including those who do not receive chapter support to attend.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> dariusz "pundit"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Itzik Edri <itzik at infra.co.il> wrote:
>>
>> > Thank you Pavel and WMDE board, this is indeed a great constructive
>> > feedback and I strongly agree with most of the your arguments and
>> concerns.
>> >
>> > Itzik
>> > WMIL
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Pavel Richter
>> > <pavel.richter at wikimedia.de>wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello everybody,
>> > >
>> > > I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process
>> > here
>> > > on meta:
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process
>> > >
>> > > The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself.
>> > >
>> > > We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to
>> > > encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be
>> > great
>> > > if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in
>> one
>> > > place.
>> > >
>> > > All the Best,
>> > >
>> > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>> > >
>> > > Pavel Richter
>> > > Vorstand
>> > >
>> > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
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>> > > Twitter: @pavel
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i centrum badawczego CROW
Akademia Leona Koźmińskiego
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