[Wikimedia-l] Extensive feedback from WMDE to the FDC process

[Bence Damokos]

Thanks Pavel for sharing this.

I think a bigger conversation will be on-going on Meta and in general on
where to continue it in the real world. It might be useful to keep in mind
that the movement has already invested and committed to bringing all
chapters (and possibly thorgs) to the Wikimedia Conference [the potential
funded entities] - it would be a marginal increase in cost to bring 10 more
members of the FDC (and anyone else who is required); whereas having a
meeting before or after Wikimania could lead to increased costs to every
single participant and could possibly leave out chapters and stakeholders
who cannot afford to send someone to Wikimania or to stay the extra days.
Either way, if we want to have an inclusive in-person consultation, we have
to invest in it - Wikimania might not be the smallest possible marginal
investment and without right policies in place could not be the ideal to
ensure fair participation (where all stakeholders are present, and
individual volunteers are not inconvenienced by having to pay from their
personal pockets for either food, travel or accommodation just to
participate).

Best regards,
Bence


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:22 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak <darekj at alk.edu.pl>wrote:

> thanks indeed! I agree with many of the comments (and yes, I don't like
> bureaucracy neither, I also am very much in favor of moving towards a
> collaborative and trusting process, although the way you phrased it sounds
> as if you've assumed we, at the FDC, are against it :)
>
> I think that beyond high-level philosophical comments there needs to be an
> actual down-to-earth discussion about details. There is a need for
> constructive proposals on what can be done differently and how, rather than
> what we don't like. This conversation should be done collaboratively, I
> think. I do not believe that the upcoming chapters conference is the best
> possible venue for such a discussion. First, most of the FDC members will
> not be there, and I think that our presence could be useful. Second, the
> whole FDC cycle has not finished yet (and it will finish in May). Finally,
> much more movement activists will be present at Wikimania.
>
> That's why I think that 1-2 days before or after Wikimania would be the
> best time to have an intensive, constructive session on the FDC model.
> Also, please note that there is an FDC review process ongoing (there is a
> community driven FDC-advisory group, etc.). Perhaps a good first step would
> be to coordinate this, <mocking mode on> rather than schedule WMDE-driven
> redesign </mocking mode off>.
>
> In any case, I'm glad the conversation is starting, and I think it would be
> good to actually schedule some time for a workshop about this. My
> suggestion is before or after Wikimania, as it is by far the easiest timing
> for many, including those who do not receive chapter support to attend.
>
> best,
>
> dariusz "pundit"
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Itzik Edri <itzik at infra.co.il> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Pavel and WMDE board, this is indeed a great constructive
> > feedback and I strongly agree with most of the your arguments and
> concerns.
> >
> > Itzik
> > WMIL
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Pavel Richter
> > <pavel.richter at wikimedia.de>wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everybody,
> > >
> > > I have just posted an extensive feedback from WMDE on the FDC process
> > here
> > > on meta:
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/FDC_portal/Comments/Extensive_feedback_from_WMDE_to_the_FDC_process
> > >
> > > The statement was drafted by WMDE's Supervisory Board and myself.
> > >
> > > We are very much looking forward to a discussion and I would like to
> > > encourage everybody to share their thoughts. At the same it would be
> > great
> > > if we could keep the discussion on meta so that we have everything in
> one
> > > place.
> > >
> > > All the Best,
> > >
> > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
> > >
> > > Pavel Richter
> > > Vorstand
> > >
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