[Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

[Fred Bauder]

> I doubt that scale is only thing which matters.

Sweden has a set of elites who all know each other and have developed
consensus, and, perhaps, learned how to do that well.

What I know is that Ukraine has a big split between Russians and
Ukrainians. But do nationalistic Russians even bother with the Ukrainian
Wikipedia? Do you have a lot of Canadian contributors?

In the United States distance defeats us. A meet up in New York City is
almost as far way as Hong Kong.

Fred

>
> As to me both enWP and ukWP suffers from lack of community (extremely
> important word in Anders' comment) as that despite the fact that fist is
> much larger 'town' (even 'city') than svWP, and second is small
> 'village'.
>
> I mean community solid enough to 'behave' like one organization (Lars
> Gardenius pointed to importance of it earlier) .
>
> ...and yes, comment
> *> I'm sure the
>> community of editors is rather small, but they must come from very
>>diverse backgrounds.*
> (from later note)
> is 100% correct about Ukraine.
> ...but isn't it similar to enWP, where people come from different
> countries, so "*diverse backgrounds*" as well?
> ...which this way or another prevent creation of solid community
> (whatever
> is the size of it)
>
> Sincerely,
> Pavlo
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net>
> wrote:
>
>> That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of
>> administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even
>> requests
>> for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time
>> research,
>> or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't
>> know much. Voting has the same downside; because of the volume you just
>> don't have enough information to register an informed opinion, at least
>> about individuals. The people you encounter in daily activities while
>> editing is only a tiny sliver.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> > It is no magic
>> > *yearly reelection of administrators/sysops has meant no bullying
>> types
>> > are sysops any more
>> > *we are a small community with just a few hundred active. And we have
>> > decided to treat everyone (who are serious) as valuable individuals,
>> > and go a very long way to make all feeling welcome, stop behaving as
>> > overdog/underdog and also to try special solutions for troublesome
>> users
>> > that enable them to not being blocked but having restrictions on
>> certain
>> > type of activities. Both people who have temporary maniac periods and
>> > with autism symptoms can be useful contributers if handled right by
>> the
>> > communities.
>> >
>> > But these experiences can not be extended to everywhere. en:wp have
>> 20
>> > times the number of contributers then sv:wp and of course this means
>> > need of different ways of handling problems. I do not pretend to have
>> > anything to teach en:wp, but as said I find nothing useful for sv:wp
>> > hearing of the challenges on en:wp
>> >
>> > Anders
>> >
>> >
>> > Pavlo Shevelo skrev 2013-09-05 13:36:
>> >> Sorry, but I'm not agree with your note, Anders.
>> >>
>> >> My home WP is not en: (it's uk: in fact) but everything being
>> discussed
>> >> is
>> >> very (100%) applicable for our community.
>> >>
>> >> Lucky you are in se:WP that you have no similar issues/problems but
>> >> perhaps
>> >> you've collected some magical know-how how to avoid said troubles.
>> If
>> >> so
>> >> would you please share that knowledge & experience?
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> Pavlo
>> >>
>>
>