[Wikimedia-l] Please, let's save the Wikipedia - from itself

[Pavlo Shevelo]

I doubt that scale is only thing which matters.

As to me both enWP and ukWP suffers from lack of community (extremely
important word in Anders' comment) as that despite the fact that fist is
much larger 'town' (even 'city') than svWP, and second is small 'village'.

I mean community solid enough to 'behave' like one organization (Lars
Gardenius pointed to importance of it earlier) .

...and yes, comment
*> I'm sure the
> community of editors is rather small, but they must come from very
>diverse backgrounds.*
(from later note)
is 100% correct about Ukraine.
...but isn't it similar to enWP, where people come from different
countries, so "*diverse backgrounds*" as well?
...which this way or another prevent creation of solid community (whatever
is the size of it)

Sincerely,
Pavlo

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:

> That's Sweden all right, it's like a small town. Thousands of
> administrators from scores of countries is another matter. Even requests
> for administration is very difficult as, unless you do big time research,
> or spend your life monitoring others edits and activity, you just don't
> know much. Voting has the same downside; because of the volume you just
> don't have enough information to register an informed opinion, at least
> about individuals. The people you encounter in daily activities while
> editing is only a tiny sliver.
>
> Fred
>
> > It is no magic
> > *yearly reelection of administrators/sysops has meant no bullying types
> > are sysops any more
> > *we are a small community with just a few hundred active. And we have
> > decided to treat everyone (who are serious) as valuable individuals,
> > and go a very long way to make all feeling welcome, stop behaving as
> > overdog/underdog and also to try special solutions for troublesome users
> > that enable them to not being blocked but having restrictions on certain
> > type of activities. Both people who have temporary maniac periods and
> > with autism symptoms can be useful contributers if handled right by the
> > communities.
> >
> > But these experiences can not be extended to everywhere. en:wp have 20
> > times the number of contributers then sv:wp and of course this means
> > need of different ways of handling problems. I do not pretend to have
> > anything to teach en:wp, but as said I find nothing useful for sv:wp
> > hearing of the challenges on en:wp
> >
> > Anders
> >
> >
> > Pavlo Shevelo skrev 2013-09-05 13:36:
> >> Sorry, but I'm not agree with your note, Anders.
> >>
> >> My home WP is not en: (it's uk: in fact) but everything being discussed
> >> is
> >> very (100%) applicable for our community.
> >>
> >> Lucky you are in se:WP that you have no similar issues/problems but
> >> perhaps
> >> you've collected some magical know-how how to avoid said troubles. If
> >> so
> >> would you please share that knowledge & experience?
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> Pavlo
> >>
>