[Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod at mccme.ru
Mon May 13 12:00:07 UTC 2013

Given that the deadline for the list moderators passed several days 
ago, may be could voluntarily stop at this point with the thread and not 
really try to figure out whether moderators are needed?


On 13.05.2013 13:57, Huib Laurens wrote:
> I take the asshole back. Sorry for that...  Again, if I feel attacked 
> I
> will attack back.
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Craig Franklin
> <cfranklin at halonetwork.net>wrote:
>> All other things aside, misspelling the person's name and then 
>> calling them
>> an "asshole" is hardly likely to lead to an amicable solution, peace, 
>> love,
>> or understanding, is it?
>> On 13 May 2013 21:09, Huib Laurens <sterkebak at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Tillman,
>>> For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the
>> rights
>>> where removed is FOUR days. So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find
>>> information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay 
>>> didn't
>> know
>>> about the fact you removed me either. So NO you didn't leave me a 
>>> note
>> when
>>> you did it. I get your note four days later.
>>> Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post 
>>> that
>>> kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you 
>>> can
>> read
>>> it yourself also.
>>> When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the
>> Dutch
>>> Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I 
>>> worked
>>> with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a 
>>> moderator on
>>> Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM.
>>> So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted? 
>>> I
>>> guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and 
>>> NL.wiki and
>>> lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit.
>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer <tbayer at wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi Huib,
>>>> thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that 
>>>> you
>>>> were never notified about this kind of thing (although 
>>>> unfortunately
>>>> this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to
>>>> leaving MZ "a little speechless" and feeling "more and more ...
>>>> distanced from" Wikimedia).
>>>> I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on 
>>>> November
>>>> 16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog 
>>>> comment
>>>> moderators list - with one crucial difference however:
>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Huib,
>>>>> we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the
>>>>> Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your
>>>> subscription.
>>>>> The list is going to see more confidential information in the 
>>>>> future,
>>> and
>>>>> we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it.
>>>> Curiously, here you left out one sentence from my 2011 email:
>>>> "And while I don't want to pass judgment over your work on the
>>>> projects, the fact that you are currently blocked on Meta etc. 
>>>> makes
>>>> it difficult to justify keeping your access at the moment."
>>>>> I want to
>>>>> emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list
>> member,
>>>> and
>>>>> that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting 
>>>>> new
>>>>> posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, 
>>>>> they
>>> will
>>>>> just need to go through moderation.
>>>>> --
>>>>> Tilman Bayer
>>>>> Movement Communications
>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
>>>>> Strange that the blog is "internal" communications.
>>>> You mean that
>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-blog
>>>> is not a public mailing list? It is my understanding that it was
>>>> originally created solely as a channel of notifications about new 
>>>> blog
>>>> comments that needed to be moderated; these obviously should not be
>>>> public. Later there were efforts to make it more into a venue of
>>>> internal coordination about the blog, although these did not quite 
>>>> pan
>>>> out.
>>>>> Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was
>> completly
>>>> ok
>>>>> with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so
>> secret
>>>> that
>>>>> no volunteers can see it...
>>>> Actually, you were the only volunteer removed at that point in 2011 
>>>> -
>>>> there were at least four volunteers who I think are still on the 
>>>> list.
>>>> As indicated in the part of my email that you chose to quietly
>>>> suppress, a main reason to handle your case differently was that 
>>>> you
>>>> were at that time indefinitely blocked by the community on more 
>>>> than
>>>> one wiki (to cite the block log entry from nlwiki: "Abusing 
>>>> multiple
>>>> accounts: general project disruption and cross-wiki disruption; 
>>>> trying
>>>> to evade bans on other projects, running unapproved bots and so on.
>>>> block per RfC and cu evidence." )
>>>> The fact that you are now trying to make your case by posting 
>>>> tampered
>>>> emails reinforces my confidence that it was the right decision to
>>>> remove you from this position of trust.
>>>> --
>>>> Tilman Bayer
>>>> Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications)
>>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
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>>> --
>>> Met vriendelijke groet,
>>> Huib Laurens
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