[Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

[Huib Laurens]

I take the asshole back. Sorry for that...  Again, if I feel attacked I
will attack back.


On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:54 PM, Craig Franklin
<cfranklin op halonetwork.net>wrote:

> All other things aside, misspelling the person's name and then calling them
> an "asshole" is hardly likely to lead to an amicable solution, peace, love,
> or understanding, is it?
>
>
> On 13 May 2013 21:09, Huib Laurens <sterkebak op gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Tillman,
> >
> > For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the
> rights
> > where removed is FOUR days. So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find
> > information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay didn't
> know
> > about the fact you removed me either. So NO you didn't leave me a note
> when
> > you did it. I get your note four days later.
> >
> > Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post that
> > kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you can
> read
> > it yourself also.
> >
> > When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the
> Dutch
> > Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked
> > with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a moderator on
> > Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM.
> >
> > So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted? I
> > guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and NL.wiki and
> > lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer <tbayer op wikimedia.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Huib,
> > >
> > > thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that you
> > > were never notified about this kind of thing (although unfortunately
> > > this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to
> > > leaving MZ "a little speechless" and feeling "more and more ...
> > > distanced from" Wikimedia).
> > >
> > > I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on November
> > > 16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog comment
> > > moderators list - with one crucial difference however:
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak op gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > Hi Huib,
> > > >
> > > > we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the
> > > > Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your
> > > subscription.
> > > > The list is going to see more confidential information in the future,
> > and
> > > > we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it.
> > >
> > > Curiously, here you left out one sentence from my 2011 email:
> > >
> > > "And while I don't want to pass judgment over your work on the
> > > projects, the fact that you are currently blocked on Meta etc. makes
> > > it difficult to justify keeping your access at the moment."
> > >
> > >
> > > > I want to
> > > > emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list
> member,
> > > and
> > > > that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new
> > > > posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they
> > will
> > > > just need to go through moderation.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Tilman Bayer
> > > > Movement Communications
> > > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > > IRC (Freenode): HaeB
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Strange that the blog is "internal" communications.
> > >
> > > You mean that
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-blog
> > > is not a public mailing list? It is my understanding that it was
> > > originally created solely as a channel of notifications about new blog
> > > comments that needed to be moderated; these obviously should not be
> > > public. Later there were efforts to make it more into a venue of
> > > internal coordination about the blog, although these did not quite pan
> > > out.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was
> completly
> > > ok
> > > > with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so
> secret
> > > that
> > > > no volunteers can see it...
> > >
> > > Actually, you were the only volunteer removed at that point in 2011 -
> > > there were at least four volunteers who I think are still on the list.
> > > As indicated in the part of my email that you chose to quietly
> > > suppress, a main reason to handle your case differently was that you
> > > were at that time indefinitely blocked by the community on more than
> > > one wiki (to cite the block log entry from nlwiki: "Abusing multiple
> > > accounts: general project disruption and cross-wiki disruption; trying
> > > to evade bans on other projects, running unapproved bots and so on.
> > > block per RfC and cu evidence." )
> > >
> > > The fact that you are now trying to make your case by posting tampered
> > > emails reinforces my confidence that it was the right decision to
> > > remove you from this position of trust.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Tilman Bayer
> > > Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications)
> > > Wikimedia Foundation
> > > IRC (Freenode): HaeB
> > >
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> > --
> > Met vriendelijke groet,
> >
> > Huib Laurens
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-- 
Met vriendelijke groet,

Huib Laurens