[Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Huib Laurens sterkebak at gmail.com
Mon May 13 11:09:40 UTC 2013


For the record, the time between your e-mail and my request why the rights
where removed is FOUR days. So yes. I stay by my claim I had to find
information myself. And showing the mails its visible that Jay didn't know
about the fact you removed me either. So NO you didn't leave me a note when
you did it. I get your note four days later.

Other volunteers also said they where removed, and I will not post that
kind of e-mails online. But on the other mailing threat there you can read
it yourself also.

When I was placed on the Wikimedia Blog I was already blocked by the Dutch
Wikipedia, That was no problem for Jay, Erik or the other people I worked
with? When I was blocked on the dutch Wikipedia I was also a moderator on
Commons, Meta, Incubator and a Member of the LangCOM and the LiCOM.

So now your saying: You where / are blocked so you can't be trusted? I
guess that makes you a complete asshole. Since the blocks and NL.wiki and
lots of other wiki's are made of complete bullshit.

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Tilman Bayer <tbayer op wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Huib,
> thanks for correcting your earlier claim in the main thread that you
> were never notified about this kind of thing (although unfortunately
> this correction comes only after your claim already contributed to
> leaving MZ "a little speechless" and feeling "more and more ...
> distanced from" Wikimedia).
> I can confirm that this is the text of an email I sent you on November
> 16, 2011 when removing you from what was originally the blog comment
> moderators list - with one crucial difference however:
> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak op gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Huib,
> >
> > we are currently reorganizing the internal communication about the
> > Foundation's blog, and in the process have just removed your
> subscription.
> > The list is going to see more confidential information in the future, and
> > we want to focus membership more on people who need to know it.
> Curiously, here you left out one sentence from my 2011 email:
> "And while I don't want to pass judgment over your work on the
> projects, the fact that you are currently blocked on Meta etc. makes
> it difficult to justify keeping your access at the moment."
> > I want to
> > emphasize that this has nothing to do with your conduct as list member,
> and
> > that your interest in and support for the WMF blog (e.g. tweeting new
> > posts) is appreciated. You can still send messages to the list, they will
> > just need to go through moderation.
> >
> > --
> > Tilman Bayer
> > Movement Communications
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > IRC (Freenode): HaeB
> >
> >
> > Strange that the blog is "internal" communications.
> You mean that https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-blog
> is not a public mailing list? It is my understanding that it was
> originally created solely as a channel of notifications about new blog
> comments that needed to be moderated; these obviously should not be
> public. Later there were efforts to make it more into a venue of
> internal coordination about the blog, although these did not quite pan
> out.
> >
> > Even stranger is that Erik asked to create my account, he was completly
> ok
> > with it. So I'm not sure what the information on the blog is so secret
> that
> > no volunteers can see it...
> Actually, you were the only volunteer removed at that point in 2011 -
> there were at least four volunteers who I think are still on the list.
> As indicated in the part of my email that you chose to quietly
> suppress, a main reason to handle your case differently was that you
> were at that time indefinitely blocked by the community on more than
> one wiki (to cite the block log entry from nlwiki: "Abusing multiple
> accounts: general project disruption and cross-wiki disruption; trying
> to evade bans on other projects, running unapproved bots and so on.
> block per RfC and cu evidence." )
> The fact that you are now trying to make your case by posting tampered
> emails reinforces my confidence that it was the right decision to
> remove you from this position of trust.
> --
> Tilman Bayer
> Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications)
> Wikimedia Foundation
> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
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Met vriendelijke groet,

Huib Laurens

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