[Wikimedia-l] "Tweet this page" from some or all sites???

Thu Apr 18 14:54:19 UTC 2013

Le 2013-04-18 14:52, Thomas Morton a écrit :
> Or, you could click a button.
>
> Why is making something easy a problem?

Because easiness is not our **only** concern. Making things easier is 
great, losing neutrality for the sake of convenience and ease-of-use, to 
my mind it is not a good trade.

Also as it appears that the link that I make between that and ads is 
only obvious to me, to me they are related by the neutrality topic. As 
other said probably in a better way than I am currently able to do, if 
you chose to include some third party support, this may lead to losing 
neutrality. If the foundation revenue was depending on ads, to my mind 
it would also lead to such a lose of neutrality. I hope it make more 
clear what is the connection I do between this two topics.

Also you may be interested to know that I wrote a very short essay "on 
easyness"[1](I wrote it several years ago it wasn't intented specificaly 
for this thread) where in a short, I say that you can hardly develop a 
critical mind if you never go through experiments which aren't trivial 
to manage. Thus said I don't mean that cluttering a learning activity 
with artifical difficulties should be encouraged.

[1] https://www.culture-libre.org/wiki/Sur_la_simplicit%C3%A9 It's in 
French but if anyone is realy interested, I may translate it, just ask 
me.

> And more to the point; a very large number of people would become 
> confused
> with the processes you're describing. You are somewhere in the top 
> 0.1% of
> technically literate persons!! So judging what is possible or not 
> based on
> your own skills/abilities introduces a critical bias.
>
> A lack of neutrality, if you will :)

Well, while I don't know how much a "technically litterate person" 
minority I am, I do agree that my own representation of the world is 
full of biases. Also, I wish that anyone may have access to ressources 
that would enable one to become litterate person in any topic. I just 
fail to perceive a copy/paste action as a huge barrier to knowledge 
diffusion.  To my mind Wikipedia Zero for example seems to adress a real 
concern of knowledge diffusion.

>
> Tom
>
>
> On 18 April 2013 13:46, Mathieu Stumpf 
> <psychoslave at culture-libre.org>wrote:
>
>> Le 2013-04-18 14:11, Stevie Benton a écrit :
>>
>>> [Speaking personally, not from WMUK]
>>>
>>> Not sure how advertisements came in to the discussion, it's totally
>>> different. If we agree we want to share the sum total of all human
>>> knowledge, then it makes sense that we make it as easy to share 
>>> that
>>> knowledge as possible. Having small, discreet buttons that allow 
>>> one / two
>>> click sharing removes some of the barriers that may exist.  Just my
>>> opinion, of course.
>>>
>>> Stevie
>>>
>>
>> I really don't understand what's the supposed "barriers", you can 
>> save the
>> whole page to send it, copy/paste the whole page, send the direct 
>> URL. What
>> the use case where current possibilities would prevent one to share 
>> this
>> knowledge?
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On 18 April 2013 13:04, Mathieu Stumpf 
>>> <psychoslave at culture-libre.org**
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  Le 2013-04-18 11:43, Stevie Benton a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>  [Speaking personally, not from WMUK]
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the idea of sharing buttons, as long as they aren't too
>>>>> prominent.
>>>>> Wikipedia was a social medium before the term was really in 
>>>>> widespread
>>>>> use.
>>>>> I think it also shows that our audience is important. Aren't we
>>>>> ultimately
>>>>> about sharing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Stevie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> To my mind, it's not just about sharing, it's about sharing 
>>>> knowledge in
>>>> a
>>>> form which is as neutral as we can achieve to produce. If you stop 
>>>> to
>>>> "sharing", then you may just as well let "free to share" 
>>>> advertisments
>>>> invade wikipedia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 18 April 2013 10:37, David Gerard <dgerard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 18 April 2013 10:27, Mathieu Stumpf 
>>>>> <psychoslave at culture-libre.org*
>>>>> ***>
>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> > I didn't read the tweeter EULA, as I don't use it. Does it 
>>>>>> feet our
>>>>>> general
>>>>>> > policy[1]? If no, as one may easily expect, then you have a
>>>>>> definitive
>>>>>> > answer to your "why not".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could tweet from a button without WMF sending data to 
>>>>>> Twitter, so
>>>>>> that's not a problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - d.
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