[Wikimedia-l] Apparently, Wikipedia is ugly

[Thomas Morton]

One of the key problems with the interface is that it doesn't do a lot to
seperate editing and reading.

I know the point is to make editing easy - and to encourage readers to
become editors. But realistically most of them will not - and we could do
significantly better in streamlining our anon. front end.

Tom

On 25 July 2012 20:33, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoi,
> Most people are stupid and they still deserve a great reading experience..
> Our aim is to share in the sum of all knowledge with everyone. When people
> fail to read Wikipedia.. and they do..  there is a reason to do better for
> them. Any effective measure that provides a better experience for all the
> different screens helps us share with more people.
>
> Even stupid people deserve to be educated... eh especially stupid people
> deserve to be educated ...
> Thanks,
>       Gerard
>
> On 25 July 2012 17:22, Michel Vuijlsteke <wikipedia at zog.org> wrote:
>
> > On 25 July 2012 15:57, Kim Bruning <kim at bruning.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That's default web behaviour. If you want narrower columns, just make
> the
> > > browser window narrower.
> > >
> > > * If your answer is "Some people don't know how to use a browser"...
> > > well...
> > >   ARGH
> > >
> >
> > Most people never resize their browser windows.
> > If your answer is "Most people are stupid and don't *deserve* a better
> > reading experience"… well, sum, yeah. There's that.
> >
> >
> > > * Else If your answer is "Lets make it narrower for everyone (including
> > us
> > > WIMPs
> > >   who *do* know how to use Windows Icons Menus and Pointers) whether
> they
> > >   want to or not."   I KEEEEL YOU
> > >
> >
> > It's not about making it "narrower". It's about making it *better*.
> > Analogy: "Let's reduce the amount of words in the lede" <> "Let's make
> the
> > lede better".
> >
> >
> > > * Else If your answer is "better DTPishlayout control in CSS, including
> > > some sane way to
> > >   do proper columnated text": YES YES, 1000 TIMES YES!
> > >
> >
> > Column layout on scrolling web pages doesn't make a lot of sense.
> > Some additional "DTP-ish" layout control in CSS would be nice, sure, but
> > that's not the point.
> >
> >
> > > * Else If other: Ok, go ahead, I'm listening? :-)
> > >
> >
> > Well, see points raised earlier. Making Wikipedia easier to read and use
> is
> > not just mollycoddling lazy users who "should know better".
> >
> > Michel
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