[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

[Béria Lima]

Jan

Provide me a link to work and I will gladly tell on wiki how much your idea
sucks and how I come up with a better one without dismiss community opinion
and being condescending like you.

Here we can't solve anything.
_____
*Béria Lima

**Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*


On 15 February 2012 16:01, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>wrote:

>
> On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote:
>
> > Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I
> will
> > not put my faith in another
> > "great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded"
> Committe.
>
> Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you...
>
> >
> > When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of
> how
> > it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will
> > have we can talk.
>
> Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point
>
> >
> > Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations.
> We
> > can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we
> have
> > the data.
>
> Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming
> years and send you the data around 2015 :)
>
> >
> > ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any
> > meaningless talk.
> > _____
>
> I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless
> talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and
> foundation).
>
> Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help
> think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will
> never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times)
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> > *Béria Lima*
> > *
> > Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
> > esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >
> >
> > On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org
> >wrote:
> >
> >> this would be called: too much drama
> >>
> >> There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my
> >> earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization...
> >>
> >> Secondly: When faced with a  life or death situation, most people try to
> >> trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for
> >> weeks on end.
> >>
> >> In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try
> to
> >> think in opportunities rather that not think at all.
> >>
> >> Jan-Bart
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote:
> >>
> >>> Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha?
> >>> You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least
> choose
> >>> the way we are going to die?
> >>> _____
> >>> *Béria Lima*
> >>>
> >>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> >>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> >>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk <
> vandijk at wmnederland.nl
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>:
> >>>>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the
> >>>>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of
> >>>>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came
> >>>>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF
> >>>>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a
> >>>>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range
> of
> >>>> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement.
> >>>>
> >>>> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally
> >> sceptical of
> >>>> extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more
> >>>> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history
> >> of MR
> >>>> since 2010 July, when it began.
> >>>>
> >>>> So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of
> >>>> discussion.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >>>> Bishakha
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Then we would have a more
> >>>>> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a
> >>>>> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>> Ziko
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>> dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter
> >>>>> http://wmnederland.nl/
> >>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
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