[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

[Béria Lima]

Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will
not put my faith in another
"great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded" Committe.

When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how
it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will
have we can talk.

Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. We
can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we have
the data.

... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any
meaningless talk.
_____
*Béria Lima*
*
Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*


On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>wrote:

> this would be called: too much drama
>
> There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my
> earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization...
>
> Secondly: When faced with a  life or death situation, most people try to
> trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for
> weeks on end.
>
> In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try to
> think in opportunities rather that not think at all.
>
> Jan-Bart
>
>
> On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote:
>
> > Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha?
> > You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose
> > the way we are going to die?
> > _____
> > *Béria Lima*
> >
> > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> > construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> >
> >
> > On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk at wmnederland.nl
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>:
> >>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the
> >>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of
> >>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we
> >>>
> >>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came
> >>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF
> >>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again.
> >>>
> >>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a
> >>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)?
> >>
> >>
> >> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of
> >> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement.
> >>
> >> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally
> sceptical of
> >> extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more
> >> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history
> of MR
> >> since 2010 July, when it began.
> >>
> >> So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of
> >> discussion.
> >>
> >> Best
> >> Bishakha
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Then we would have a more
> >>> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a
> >>> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals.
> >>>
> >>> Kind regards
> >>> Ziko
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
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> >>> dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter
> >>> http://wmnederland.nl/
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