[Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page

[Elisabeth Anderl]

Dear Philippe, dear all,

Imho, as already suggested by several people, RFC on Meta (
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/RFC ) would be best to discuss this further
and to find out if further steps are necessary, (since the problem this post
was about is solved), we don't have an arbcom (yet).

>-How do we keep it from happening again?
Imho we already do, we don't grant permanent adminship on small projects,
only temporary, and we do not grant bureaucratship on small projects,
without community, at all.

Best regards.

2008/1/7, Philippe Beaudette <philippebeaudette at gmail.com>:
>
> OK, so - I often find it's helpful to me to write out the situation as we
> know it and pray it sparks a brainstorm in someone else.  If this is
> helpful
> to you, read on.  If not, please feel free to skip this post and move on.
> And please forgive the long-ish post...:
>
> The facts as we know them are:
> -There's one admin on a small project.
> -There is no community to form to initiate an RfA of some type for another
> admin
> -The extant admin had a bit of a hissy fit when there was a community
> request to de-admin, which resulted in the initiator being banned (what
> further circumstances were there?  Did the initiator honestly DO something
> to get banned?  Or was the ban over just this request to de-admin?)
> -The admin has manipulated - in an unacceptable way - the MediaWiki
> interface.
> -The admin is - at least in translations we've been supplied (not that I
> doubt them, because I don't - but I don't know if there are explanations
> somewhere or bad translations, etc - I'd feel more secure if I could read
> Russian for myself, but I can't so....) abusive to other members of the
> community and the Foundation.
>
> Given those facts:
> -There's no question in my mind that the admin needs to go, but we really
> don't have a mechanism in place to do it, although an RFC on Meta has been
> suggested (which seems sensible to me provided that it can be
> appropriately
> advertised so that community members - past and present - can comment on
> it).
> -How do we handle this in as peaceful a manner as possible, while
> asserting
> the larger Community's role in the success or failure of this small
> project?
> That is, how do we handle our moral responsibility to do as little damage
> as
> possible in dealing with this project while trying to judge from the
> outside
> what the right steps are?  And, in addition to that, how do we avoid
> sparking a larger conflict with someone who surely feels his world has
> been
> shattered - just a little bit - but the very large magnifying glass of
> foundation-l, which has just turned itself on "his" project?
>
> There are longer term questions that will have to be dealt with by someone
> other than us:
> -How does one reconstitute a community that's had a crisis of confidence?
> -How do we locate someone in a fractured community to give the sysop bit
> to
> when reasonable people may have been run-off from the project?
> -How do we keep it from happening again?
>
> Philippe
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "David Gerard" <dgerard at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:49 AM
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Bunners at the bottom of every page
>
> > On 07/01/2008, Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't get the issue here, all that's needed is another admin so that
> >> this guy can't just do whatever he likes. Why doesn't the community
> >> just have some kind of RFA, let a steward know, and the problem pretty
> >> much disappears?
> >
> >
> > Because he's run off anyone who would form membership of such a
> > community, as has been noted already.
> >
> >
> > - d.
> >
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