[WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

[White Cat]

I think not. We already have plenty of that. Tens of thousands of articles
were deleted via redirectification, afds, prods and speedy deletions as well
as other methods.
Just because some people are being extremely aggressive does not mean people
like me will settle with something less aggressive but equally disruptive.

There is a lack of consensus to mass delete any article category. So can you
please stop pretending as if there is such a consensus?

  - White Cat


On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Alvaro García <alvareo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh yes, you're right.
>
> Speedy deletion would be required on some case.
>
>
> --
> Alvaro
>
> On 13-01-2009, at 14:18, "Martijn Hoekstra"
> <martijnhoekstra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, but that won't work. It needs at least an exception for speedy
> > deletion. Slowly I'm starting to notice im heading more in the
> > direction of hardcore inclusionists, on grounds off [[WP:HARMLESS]]
> > and [[WP:USEFULL]], and stop seeing the use of notability guidelines.
> > That said, even if only 1 in 5 AfD deletions represent true consensus,
> > then that would still amount to about 6 discussions for which we
> > require full community consensus a day, and I just think and hope our
> > community would like to have some time left to write articles instead
> > of making decissions on deleting articles.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Alvaro García <alvareo at gmail.com> w
> > rote:
> >> It would be great that, instead of deleting an article, the usual
> >> deleters would be given a 'flag as source-less/needs improvement'
> >> where it would go to a Wikipedia section of poor articles, where
> >> people who know would improve them.
> >> And, no article, in whatever section, could be deleted unless there's
> >> a general consensus.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Alvaro
> >>
> >> On 13-01-2009, at 5:22, Noah Salzman <noah at salzman.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:10 AM, WJhonson at aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> These sub-surface articles would not be googleable let's say, so
> >>>> reader
> >>>> wouldn't get side-tracked into thinking they are "acceptable" in
> >>>> the
> >>>> mainstream,
> >>>> but they would be present for people already in-world to read and
> >>>> edit.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Makes sense to me. If the "articles for deletion" process is usurped
> >>> by the "articles for purgatory" process then it transforms the
> >>> debate
> >>> entirely. If you keep losing at chess than change the game to
> >>> checkers, rather than continuing to complain about losing at chess.
> >>>
> >>> Deletion could remain a standard process but with much clearer and
> >>> stricter guidelines. Perhaps, it could be changed to "innocent until
> >>> proven guilty" as opposed to the deletion process now where the
> >>> defendant has to do a ton of busy work to save a "guilt-assumed"
> >>> article.
> >>>
> >>> As someone somewhat removed from the politics of the project, my
> >>> main
> >>> question is what does the step-by-step process look like for making
> >>> this change happen? I imagine there is more than one path: grass
> >>> roots
> >>> consensus building vs lobbying The Powers That Be?
> >>>
> >>> My apologies if that is an amusingly naive way of putting it.
> >>>
> >>> --Noah--
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> WikiEN-l mailing list
> >>> WikiEN-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >>> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:
> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> WikiEN-l mailing list
> >> WikiEN-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> >> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > WikiEN-l mailing list
> > WikiEN-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:
> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>
> _______________________________________________
> WikiEN-l mailing list
> WikiEN-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
>