[WikiEN-l] CSD A7, hilarity ensues

[Todd Allen]

Christiano Moreschi wrote:
>> From: Mark Gallagher <m.g.gallagher at student.canberra.edu.au>
>> Reply-To: m.g.gallagher at student.canberra.edu.au,English Wikipedia 
>> <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] CSD A7, hilarity ensues
>> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:40:20 +1000
>>
>>
>> G'day Anthony,
>>
>>     
>>> On 6/11/07, Jeff Raymond <jeff.raymond at internationalhouseofbacon.com> 
>>>       
>> wrote:
>>     
>>>> Matthew Brown wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Ah.  however, the standard at CSD is not proof of notability but an
>>>>> assertion of it.  Admins are not supposed to evaluate the article
>>>>> against [[Wikipedia:Notability]] and unilaterally decide if it meets
>>>>> it.
>>>>>           
>>>> Yes.  Sadly, too many admins just look at the tag.  Plenty of fault to
>>>> go around.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Is an "assertion of notability" supposed to be harder or easier to
>>> obtain compared to outright "notability".  Because it seems to me that
>>> in order for an article to assert the notability of its subject, if
>>> has to either: 1) be about a notable subject, or 2) contain
>>> falsehoods.
>>>       
>> Notability is a tricky subject.  I'll give you an example: bands.
>>
>> Suppose I was the lead yodeler in The Flailing Hairnets, one of the
>> premier bands performing music in the genre of Mexican Nasal Yodeling.
>> However, we had not released two albums on a major label or done enough
>> of the other things required by [[WP:MUSIC]].
>>
>> AfD may well decide that we are significant enough in our genre to be
>> worth an article, despite the fact that we fail [[WP:MUSIC]].  Then
>> again, they may not.  Are we notable?  Regardless of what AfD decides,
>> that's not something that can be dealt with by a single admin and a
>> single clueless RC patroller spending 30 seconds apiece skimming the
>> article and reaching for a button on VandalNukerPlus or whatever the
>> latest semi-auto toy is called.
>>
>>     
>
> Agreed. With borderline A7s AfD should really be used instead, and the 
> article given more time to develop. Even with routine A7s I usually run a 
> quick Google search to see if there's something there other than the usual 
> Myspace crap. I hope admins don't delete routinely based purely on the 
> article actually being tagged (besides, didn't we have a vandal a while back 
> who was tagging perfectly good, if obscure articles for CSD? I seem to 
> remember something like that). The obvious exception are the A7s consisting 
> of "Andrew Bloggins is in 6th grade in Ohio who likes homework". But for 
> borderline ones, I should hope admins don't routinely trust the tagger. Bad 
> idea.
>
> Moreschi
>
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If anyone is blindly trusting the tagger, they are, to put it bluntly,
an idiot. I've seen a -lot- of bad CSD taggings.

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