[WikiEN-l] Re: Viajero/Zero and Lance6 - POV terms

[Mark Richards]

The call him anything you like!

--- sannse <sannse at tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> It's rather pedantic and irrelevant to the
> discussion, but Shipman isn't
> denying anything any more - he's dead.
> 
> --sannse
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Richards" <marich712000 at yahoo.com>
> To: <wpmail at pcbartlett.com>; "English Wikipedia"
> <wikien-l at Wikipedia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] Re: Viajero/Zero and Lance6
> - POV terms
> 
> 
> > Well, there comes a point where a fact is no
> longer
> > disputed by any significant number of people. I
> don't
> > know whether Harold Shipman still denies murder,
> but,
> > if he admits it, then surely calling him a
> murderer is
> > justified and NPOV. If he disputes it, then
> calling
> > him a 'convicted murderer, a charge that he still
> > denies' seems fair.
> > Mark
> >
> > --- Pete/Pcb21 <pete_pcb21_wpmail at pcbartlett.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Geoffrey Burling wrote:
> > >
> > > [Examples]
> > > > *President Bush, alleged cocaine abuser
> > > > *The CIA allegedly sold drugs in Los Angeles
> to
> > > fund the Contras in Nicaraugua
> > > > *Kenneth Lay, indicted for corporate fraud
> > > > *Martha Stewart, convicted of insider trading
> > >
> > > > I think is a solution that would nicely fit
> with
> > > the rules of NPOV.
> > >
> > > I thought that too. Interestingly though UK
> > > broadcasting rules are more
> > > relaxed about this.
> > >
> > > For instance, programmes do not have to say
> "Harold
> > > Shipman, convicted
> > > of mass murder,...". They can, and do, say "Mass
> > > murderer Harold
> > > Shipman...". Once someone has been convicted of
> X,
> > > that person doesn't
> > > appear to have recourse if someone calls them an
> > > Xer.
> > >
> > > Is this a case where WP NPOV exacts a higher
> > > standard than supposedly
> > > neutral TV news programmes?
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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