[WikiEN-l] Re: Fred's supposed nasty comment from JTDirl

[james duffy]

*sigh* this is rediculous. For the record, Fred and I disagreed strongly on 
the issue of [[Communist state]]. However I sought to compromise

1. by creating a special link page for the stuff he tried to to add to 
Communist state. Most academics on reading what he was writing would have 
binned it or given it an 'f' grade. I didn't. I created a special page 
whereby his ideas could be explored, worked on and re-written by wikipedia 
users, INCLUDING FRED.

2. I went further and told him, as he had a 'problem' with me, that I would 
not edit the page but leave it to others. My only role on that page was to 
reinstate it when another user kept deleting it and moving its text 
elsewhere.

3. When I saw that a goggle page contained a statement I thought unfair to 
Fred, out of professional courtesy and a desire to ensure that his 
professional reputation was not tarnished by the that statement (which was 
written by another user over THEIR experience of his behaviour) I CONTACTED 
HIM, told him of the page, suggested ways by which that link could be 
broken, etc. (And suggested that he should remove my comments from his page 
with my backing just in case a google search ever threw up a another link to 
the issue, my attempt to inform him of the original link, which was now on 
his talk page.)

For all of this, I have enduring character assassination - I have been 
compared by a Holocaust denier, accused of being a communist, accused of 
bullying, and in the last case, accused of writing a 'nasty comment' on his 
page. Tannin and 172 have been similarly slandered and smeared.

For the record: I have disagreed strongly with Stevertigo over a page, yet 
we have worked together subsequently and I welcomed him back when he 
reappeared lately. I disagreed with Taku over the renamining of Japanese 
emperors. Nevertheless, when he began a process of sorting out the situation 
I wished him all the best and we both effectively agree on a solution to the 
problem. Our current disagreement now involved subtle nuances on the 
solution, not fundamental points and I have supported his proposed solution. 
I have regularly expressed my respect for Mav yet we have disagreed on 
issues. Yet I continue to work with him, seek his advice, ask him to look at 
pages I have worked on. I did on one occasion disagree with Zoe and agree 
with Susan Mason. I disagreed with Mintguy over soccer, yet work well with 
him and he has asked me to look at particular pages, as I have asked him.  
And contrary to the impression Fred has, I have disagreed with 172 on a 
number of pages, notably [[Robert Mugabe]].

Put simply, I have not hidden my disagreement but never EVER waged a 
campaign against anyone, with the exception of repeatedly banned trolls. I 
have disagreed with people on a Monday, worked closely with them on a 
Tuesday, etc. (I even told Dietary Fiber that I did not care that they were 
Adam/Lir and I would work with them if they didn't slip back to the 
Adamesque standard of behaviour. But unfortunately they did!) Even after 
Fred made comments than in Ireland would have allowed me to sue him for 
defamation, I have tried and tried and tried to be constructive with him. In 
response all I have got is more slander, more wild accusations and more 
ludicrous claims. I will continue to try to work with Fred, even if 
establishing a working relationship with him seems like trying to climb 
Mount Everest backward in the nude. :-) But it would be nice if once, Fred 
showed the same spirit of comradeship and stopped engaging in patently 
absurd levels of abuse.

I will work on anyone on wiki. It would be nice for once Fred showed even 
the slightest willingness to work with me, rather than stooping to personal 
abuse, slander and defamation. And if for one he actually apologised for 
something like that mentioned below that he got so patently, absurdly and 
obviously wrong.

JD

>Fred Bauder wrote:
>OK, as to that point. I do admit to fear. However, for whatever reason
>Tannin, 172, have more or less creased the behavior I complained of. I 
>doubt
>they are "cured", but I think enough attention has been directed to the
>matter.
>
>Fred
>
>I wrote
>
> > For the record:
> >
> > 1. I left no nasty comment on Fred's page. When checking out how wiki 
>list
> > references show up on google, I came upon on rather nasty link that 
>exists
> > regarded Fred Bauder. I left a message on his page telling him of the 
>link
> > because I thought as a colleague that he should know it existed. I told 
>him
> > that though we had disagreements I thought that particular link was 
>wrong
> > and unfair to him. I suggested that if we blocked list pages from google
> > searches, that link might disappear. It was something that I had written 
>on
> > the list about, and I thought then and believe now that that unfair link 
>to
> > Fred's name highlighted the dangers of direct links to the list. I made
> > other suggestions as to how we could avoid anyone else being wronged in 
>the
> > way Fred was being in that google search. Finally I suggested that, in 
>case
> > a new link connected to that message from me on his wiki page and so 
>gave
> > another source to the reference to 'Fred Bauder and academic 
>dishonesty', he
> > should feel free to delete my message. How is that nasty?
> >
> > 2. My name is FearÉireann, which meaning in gaelic ''Man of Ireland'', 
>the
> > gaelic version of my previous english language usernic, ÉIREman. I 
>thought
> > it fitting to use my national language in my usernic.
> >
> > 3. Lol was intended to mean, as it does and is used by many wiki users,
> > 'Lots of love', ie, an expression of goodwill.
> >
> > I fail to see where Fred's paranoia about my message came from. All I 
>did
> > was tell a colleague that I had come across an unfair google link to 
>them
> > and made it clear just how unfair I thought it was, as well as making a
> > suggestion about how that link could be broken. I cannot understand how 
>an
> > act of professional courtesy and concern for the reputation of a 
>colleague
> > could be seen as a 'nasty comment'.
> >
> > JT

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