[Wikidata-l] Wikidata: New ISO Metadata standard MLR published last year

JFC Morfin jefsey at jefsey.com
Wed Apr 4 14:33:48 UTC 2012 

At 09:31 04/04/2012, Stracke, Christian wrote:
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>Dear Denny,
>
>thanks for your feedback:
>indeed you have to pay for the MLR standards (as it is the business 
>model of ISO what I also do not like).

Dear all,

Denny's remark and Christian's responses are important to us, because 
they show a structural difference of two complementary thinkings of 
which we need to interface the ideas because they make the today's world :

- ISO's approach is of an heavy cinematic, respecting the course of 
the nation states innovation (heavy industrial investments) in the 
international post WWII world. They do not even think that metadata 
specialists may be pennyless and that their users only trust what 
they know they can check by themselves.

- the Internet community approach is of an open dynamic involving 
lead users' innovation (open source development) in the so called 
"information society" where a printed working document is a pain 
because you need to scan and OCR it before you can work on/with it.

Ignorance of the technical law is no excuse, but knowledge of the 
technical law if not free. This is a "techne" evolution of our world 
and a transition problem everyone faces at different levels. For 
example, IETF considers ISO as a UN dinosaur, and I facilitate a 
non-WG IETF list for lead users contributions, i.e. wiki documents 
oriented people who considers the IETF as a dynosaur.

This does not affect the pertinence of the work being achieved. ISO 
and open Standardisation and Documentation Organizations (oSDOs). The 
JTC1 work is of the essence. In particular in what concerns analysis 
(in networking we all understand the importance, but also the 
uncompleteness, of the OSI 7 layers model).

We need access to the ideas and experience (freedom of legitimate 
knowledge) contained in the documents quoted by Christian. It is true 
that the OSI economic model is totally outdated and that the first 
thing Wikidata has to do is to publish them for free (this is already 
the case for the ITU documents). I have, on behalf of the IUse 
commuity a long standing understanding with the ISO's lawyer that we 
need to settle something, but this is not moving fast, this is to say 
the least :-)

What can be donne is :

- to use the metadata-stds.org/19763/index.html working versions 
prior to publications when available.
- Christian says that the JTC1/SC3X contributions are ISO 11179 and 
ISO  19763. The frameworks are the first documents (i.e. 11179-1 and 
19763-1). You  look for them as PDF on Google.

You can have ISO 11179-1  version for the vote  free on line.
You can have ISO 19763-1 for $ 8 at 
http://www.e-standard.org/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&inc_subcat=1&search_in_description=1&zenid=6a3f50e10a7aa57da464d3f481aac77a&categories_id=&keyword=ISO%2FIEC+19763&x=0&y=0

My personal plans, but I am alone on this for the time being and 
there miss some mind mapping tools, is to work on the ISO documents 
and extract what is necessary to understand and interface their 
systems and to make it a for information RFC. Until I can sue ISO for 
betraying the users' trust in order to help them documenting to 
governments their need for alternative financing.

Best
jfc

PS. I believe that the minimum we need is to have a common vocabulary 
concerning concepts, and from there a good rough understanding of 
their model and communications protocols. My priority (but I have 
many things to do).

>But there are several unique advantages of the ISO standards:
>First, transparent and open process of their development (according 
>the openly available ISO directives).
>Second, voting by national delegations from the United Nations' and 
>ISO member states.
>Third, balanced voting (one country, one vote!).
>Fourth, ISO standards can be used without any costs, without any 
>licensing and without any patent problems (if not clearly stated 
>differently on the first page).
>
>That means, only one person has to contribute the standard and then 
>you can use it for any project including your Wikimedia projects.
>Therefore I would not call the fact that the standard is sold by ISO 
>as a big obstacle for its use.
>
>Hope that it helps and clarifies.
>
>Best
>Christian
>
>
>With best regards
>
>Christian Stracke
>
>---
>
>Christian M. Stracke
>Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
>Chair CEN TC 353
>HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
>University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
>Information Systems for Production and Operations Management
>Universitaetsstr. 9 (FB WIWI: ICB)
>D-45141 Essen (Germany)
>
>Tel.: +49-(0)201-183-4410
>Fax: +49-(0)201-183-4067
>E-mail: <Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.htm>Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de
>WWW: <http://www.wip.uni-due.de/>http://www.wip.uni-due.de
>
>eCOTOOL harmonizes competence models for European policies
><http://www.ecompetence.eu/>http://www.ecompetence.eu
>
>WACOM for Water Competences in Europe
><http://www.wacom-project.eu/>http://www.wacom-project.eu
>
>Q.E.D. supports quality and standards in e-learning
><http://www.qed-info.de/>http://www.qed-info.de
>
>CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
><http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353>http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
>
>ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
><http://www.sc36.org/>http://www.sc36.org
>
>Von: Denny Vrandečić [mailto:denny.vrandecic at wikimedia.de]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 3. April 2012 11:30
>An: Discussion list for the Wikidata project.
>Cc: Stracke, Christian
>Betreff: Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata: New ISO Metadata standard MLR 
>published last year
>
>Dear Christian,
>
>thanks for your pointers!
>
>I clicked on the first part of the three parts you have listed. It 
>tells me to pay 162 Swiss Franks to even read the standard. 
>Wikimedia is devoted to free knowledge, which includes the software 
>and standards we use. Therefore I am afraid that such a standard is 
>not very high on our priorities for things to be considered for our mission.
>
>Cheers,
>Denny
>
>
>2012/4/3 Stracke, Christian 
><<mailto:Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de>Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de>
>Dear all,
>
>I would like to draw your attention to the latest international 
>metadata standard from ISO (International Standardization Committee 
>established by the United Nations in 1949):
>
>ISO/IEC 19788, called MLR (= Metadata for Learning Resource, named 
>for historical reasons but applicable for any resources).
>
>MLR was developed and approved by the national delegations from all 
>five continents after eight years of development and discussion in 
>ISO committee SC36 
>(<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36>http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/open/jtc1sc36).
>It is completely compliant with Dublin Core (also adopted as ISO standard).
>And only ISO (<http://www.iso.org>www.iso.org) can approve and 
>publish official and de-jure standards at the international level.
>The first three parts are published:
><http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=50772>http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=50772
>http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=46157
><http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=52774>http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=52774
>
>MLR is already adopted in many countries as national standards and 
>used in implementations (mainly in Asia).
>Currently the voting has been started in the European 
>Standardization Committee CEN TC 353 
>(<http://www.cen.eu/CEN/sectors/sectors/isss/Pages/CEN%20TC%20353.aspx>http://www.cen.eu/CEN/sectors/sectors/isss/Pages/CEN 
>TC 353.aspx) that MLR is adopted as European Norm (EN) by CEN, too.
>Then MLR as EN will automatically withdraw all national metadata 
>standards in Europe that are in conflict with MLR for harmonization 
>across Europe.
>I assume that after approval as European Norm the implementation of 
>MLR will increase immediately in Europe, too.
>
>Therefore I recommend to consider the usage and implementation of 
>MLR as metadata standard for the metadata description of the data.
>
>I hope that it helps for setting up Wikidata.
>Thank you very much for your consideration and feedback!
>
>Best wishes
>Christian
>
>
>With best regards
>
>Christian Stracke
>
>---
>
>Christian M. Stracke
>Convener ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36/WG5
>Chair CEN TC 353
>HR, E-Learning, Quality and Competence Development
>University of Duisburg-Essen, Campus Essen
>Information Systems for Production and Operations Management
>Universitaetsstr. 9 (FB WIWI: ICB)
>D-45141 Essen (Germany)
>
>Tel.: <tel:%2B49-%280%29201-183-4410>+49-(0)201-183-4410
>Fax: <tel:%2B49-%280%29201-183-4067>+49-(0)201-183-4067
>E-mail: 
><http://Christian.Stracke@icb.uni-due.de>Christian.Stracke at icb.uni-due.de
>WWW: <http://www.wip.uni-due.de/>http://www.wip.uni-due.de
>
>eCOTOOL harmonizes competence models for European policies
><http://www.ecompetence.eu/>http://www.ecompetence.eu
>
>WACOM for Water Competences in Europe
><http://www.wacom-project.eu/>http://www.wacom-project.eu
>
>Q.E.D. supports quality and standards in e-learning
><http://www.qed-info.de/>http://www.qed-info.de
>
>CEN/TC 353 "ICT for Learning, Education and Training"
><http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353>http://www.cen.eu/isss/TC_353
>
>ISO/IEC JTC1 SC36 "IT for Learning, Education and Training"
><http://www.sc36.org/>http://www.sc36.org
>
>
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