Hello, At Wednesday 26 September 2012 12:07:17 DaB. wrote:
Even if I would begin this very instance I doubt I would be finish in December 2013; and it would need the same 18 servers (or better: more).
The database servers (replicated and user-databases) are going to be provided by the Labs infrastructure. That's the majority of Toolserver's servers. We have shared storage provided already.
Let me count: -2 userland-server (linux) -1 userland-server (solaris) -2 web-servers (solaris) -1 web-serever (linux) (for testing) -2 HA-nodes -2 aux-servers -1 server for the roots -1 user-db-server -5 replicated db-servers
6 vs 11 – clearly the majority ;-)
The capacity of Labs is far greater than Toolserver's. We have a cluster in the pmtpa and eqiad datacenters. Each cluster has 7 compute nodes for virtual machines, 2 database servers for replicas, 1 database server for user databases and 4 storage nodes for shared storage access.
So you have 2 database servers for 7 wmf-clusters? You are poorer than we are.
It's definitely possible to re-create Toolserver inside of Labs. I'm not suggesting that's what should be done for a migration, but it's an option.
So who is helping me to install solaris? Who is helping me to port our self- written software over? Who is helping me to change the self-written scripts? Who is helping me to convert our jira-bugs into your bugzilla? Who will update all the wiki-pages?
The toolserver is not just a simple Debian with a puppet-system running; its much more complex. And while I'm sure that I could re-build something similar in labs in a great time-window, it would just be something similar, not the same; many tools would break (if you have time, take a look in our JIRA for things that are not working on Debian, but on work on Solaris).
Sometimes I have the feeling WMF and WMDE thinks that we can shutdown the TS on a Friday, rsync the stuff at the weekend, power-up labs at Monday and everything will work….
- Ryan
Sincerely, DaB.