On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 1:37 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Toolserver's way of doing things is very individualized. It doesn't promote collaboration, and it leads to tools disappearing when a user's account is disabled.
Wrong. Do you know MMP https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/MMP ? Toolserver already allows collaboration as you describe it. What you seem to be saying is that you want to *force* people to collaborate: are you sure this works? I'd rather suggest to investigate what works or not in the MMP (very simple) model and why people don't use it more in Toolserver, so that you can build on that experience and understand better the users' needs.
Yes, I know about MMP. It was introduced much later, after people were already very used to doing things in an individualized manner. From what I'm told MMPs aren't used much.
Toolserver's model is fundamentally different. It's based on an old concept of shared hosting. Labs is built on a model more like a VPS (really more like EC2). Due to that, it's possible to give users far more rights. MMPs aren't a very elegant solution. I'd prefer not to force an inelegant solution into a system that allows much more elegant approaches.
Of course, as I mentioned before, there's nothing forcing this new model at all. If you guys want to build the exact same Toolserver environment as a Labs project, go for it. I have a good feeling you'll start doing things differently when you see the affordances given by having more rights, though. Either path chosen, we'll help you with infrastructure issues along the way.
- Ryan