[Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

[Emily Monroe]

Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-)

From,
Emily


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud at fairpoint.net> wrote:

> So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to
> discuss politics and religion?
>
> Fred
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue.
> >
> > Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate
> > on
> > strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects
> > instead.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> > remember that women's rights are way, way more important than
> > the interests of Wikimedia Foundation.
> > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Ryan Kaldari
> > <rkaldari at wikimedia.org>wrote:
> >
> >> Just wanted to say that I didn't take any offense from Michael's
> >> comments. I was probably a bit out of line in my characterization of
> >> Christianity. I was just trying to point out that any religion, when
> >> taken literally, can be problematic. There were actually many books
> >> published during the American Civil War about how the Bible endorsed
> >> slavery. They make a convincing argument if you accept all of their
> >> Bible quotes taken out of context.
> >>
> >> The part about women being subservient is actually quite pervasive in
> >> the bible, both old and new testament. See:
> >> 1 Peter 3:1-6
> >> 1 Timothy 2:11-14
> >> Colossians 3:18
> >> Ephesians 5:22-23
> >> 1 Corinthians 14:33-35
> >> 1 Corinthians 11:3-10
> >> Isaiah 19:16
> >> Deuteronomy 22:20-21
> >> Genesis 3:16
> >> Genesis 2:18
> >> This is certainly not a novel interpretation. Indeed it seems very
> >> difficult to argue that the Bible does not consider women subservient
> >> to
> >> men.
> >>
> >> The part about beards is Old Testament and only taken seriously by
> >> Orthodox Christians, Amish, Mennonites, etc.
> >>
> >> The part about putting adulterers to death is also Old Testament and
> >> obviously not taken seriously by most Christians, although John Calvin
> >> did argue that the Bible justified the death penalty for adultery (as
> >> have other Christians historically).
> >>
> >> All that said, I am not trying to imply that modern Christianity is an
> >> oppressive religion. I'm just saying that historically, it has a few
> >> skeletons in its closet and it went through some serious growing pains,
> >> as is Islam.
> >>
> >> Ryan Kaldari
> >>
> >> On 9/23/11 7:00 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Emily
> >> Monroe<emilymonroe03 at gmail.com>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >> Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and
> >> potentially
> >> >> uncivil.
> >> > So Ryan and Carol can lie about MY religion, and I'M the one accused
> >> > of incivility?
> >> >
> >>
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