Hmm. Perhaps, Fred, perhaps. ;-)<br><br clear="all">From,<br>Emily<br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Fred Bauder <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fredbaud@fairpoint.net">fredbaud@fairpoint.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to<br>
discuss politics and religion?<br>
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> Hi everyone,<br>
><br>
> Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue.<br>
><br>
> Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate<br>
> on<br>
> strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects<br>
> instead.<br>
><br>
> Thank you<br>
><br>
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> remember that women's rights are way, way more important than<br>
> the interests of Wikimedia Foundation.<br>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Ryan Kaldari<br>
> <<a href="mailto:rkaldari@wikimedia.org">rkaldari@wikimedia.org</a>>wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Just wanted to say that I didn't take any offense from Michael's<br>
>> comments. I was probably a bit out of line in my characterization of<br>
>> Christianity. I was just trying to point out that any religion, when<br>
>> taken literally, can be problematic. There were actually many books<br>
>> published during the American Civil War about how the Bible endorsed<br>
>> slavery. They make a convincing argument if you accept all of their<br>
>> Bible quotes taken out of context.<br>
>><br>
>> The part about women being subservient is actually quite pervasive in<br>
>> the bible, both old and new testament. See:<br>
>> 1 Peter 3:1-6<br>
>> 1 Timothy 2:11-14<br>
>> Colossians 3:18<br>
>> Ephesians 5:22-23<br>
>> 1 Corinthians 14:33-35<br>
>> 1 Corinthians 11:3-10<br>
>> Isaiah 19:16<br>
>> Deuteronomy 22:20-21<br>
>> Genesis 3:16<br>
>> Genesis 2:18<br>
>> This is certainly not a novel interpretation. Indeed it seems very<br>
>> difficult to argue that the Bible does not consider women subservient<br>
>> to<br>
>> men.<br>
>><br>
>> The part about beards is Old Testament and only taken seriously by<br>
>> Orthodox Christians, Amish, Mennonites, etc.<br>
>><br>
>> The part about putting adulterers to death is also Old Testament and<br>
>> obviously not taken seriously by most Christians, although John Calvin<br>
>> did argue that the Bible justified the death penalty for adultery (as<br>
>> have other Christians historically).<br>
>><br>
>> All that said, I am not trying to imply that modern Christianity is an<br>
>> oppressive religion. I'm just saying that historically, it has a few<br>
>> skeletons in its closet and it went through some serious growing pains,<br>
>> as is Islam.<br>
>><br>
>> Ryan Kaldari<br>
>><br>
>> On 9/23/11 7:00 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:<br>
>> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Emily<br>
>> Monroe<<a href="mailto:emilymonroe03@gmail.com">emilymonroe03@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>> >> Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and<br>
>> potentially<br>
>> >> uncivil.<br>
>> > So Ryan and Carol can lie about MY religion, and I'M the one accused<br>
>> > of incivility?<br>
>> ><br>
>><br>
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