[Gendergap] Nudity vs Islam in Western Europe

[Fred Bauder]

So you think we might get more done if we have the common sense not to
discuss politics and religion?

Fred

> Hi everyone,
>
> Apologies for my bad English. English is not my mother tongue.
>
> Let us not use this mailing list to discuss religion. Let us concentrate
> on
> strategies to improve participation of women in Wikimedia projects
> instead.
>
> Thank you
>
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>
> remember that women's rights are way, way more important than
> the interests of Wikimedia Foundation.
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Ryan Kaldari
> <rkaldari at wikimedia.org>wrote:
>
>> Just wanted to say that I didn't take any offense from Michael's
>> comments. I was probably a bit out of line in my characterization of
>> Christianity. I was just trying to point out that any religion, when
>> taken literally, can be problematic. There were actually many books
>> published during the American Civil War about how the Bible endorsed
>> slavery. They make a convincing argument if you accept all of their
>> Bible quotes taken out of context.
>>
>> The part about women being subservient is actually quite pervasive in
>> the bible, both old and new testament. See:
>> 1 Peter 3:1-6
>> 1 Timothy 2:11-14
>> Colossians 3:18
>> Ephesians 5:22-23
>> 1 Corinthians 14:33-35
>> 1 Corinthians 11:3-10
>> Isaiah 19:16
>> Deuteronomy 22:20-21
>> Genesis 3:16
>> Genesis 2:18
>> This is certainly not a novel interpretation. Indeed it seems very
>> difficult to argue that the Bible does not consider women subservient
>> to
>> men.
>>
>> The part about beards is Old Testament and only taken seriously by
>> Orthodox Christians, Amish, Mennonites, etc.
>>
>> The part about putting adulterers to death is also Old Testament and
>> obviously not taken seriously by most Christians, although John Calvin
>> did argue that the Bible justified the death penalty for adultery (as
>> have other Christians historically).
>>
>> All that said, I am not trying to imply that modern Christianity is an
>> oppressive religion. I'm just saying that historically, it has a few
>> skeletons in its closet and it went through some serious growing pains,
>> as is Islam.
>>
>> Ryan Kaldari
>>
>> On 9/23/11 7:00 PM, Michael J. Lowrey wrote:
>> > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Emily
>> Monroe<emilymonroe03 at gmail.com>
>>  wrote:
>> >> Michael Lowry, what you just said was said was sarcastic and
>> potentially
>> >> uncivil.
>> > So Ryan and Carol can lie about MY religion, and I'M the one accused
>> > of incivility?
>> >
>>
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