[Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

[Mohamed Ibrahim]

On 25 August 2010 23:42, Michael Peel <email at mikepeel.net> wrote:

> Erm ... huh?
>
> 1) If you're interested in helping, and have experience/knowledge of
> languages, then get involved with the committee.
>
> 2) They're getting things achieved - they're fostering the development of
> new language projects, making decisions, getting the projects started, and
> doing this in a very effective way. Compare this with the ineffectual
> procedure for starting an entirely new project in any language, which hasn't
> gotten anywhere in the last 3(?) years.
>
>
I agree the committee did a good job in their mission and I'm not
generalizing my critique, I misworded my comment.

3) Please point to _recent_ examples where they've made a bad choice (i.e.
> Klingon doesn't count, as that was before their time). I'm not aware of any.
>
>
I'm not willing to open a long discussion on something that most people are
not willing to reconsider and I respected that and left the newly-opened
project to see what will happen.
However, the main point that triggered my comment was that I was just
browsing through and found really a poor standard of language and articles
that I even felt uncomfortable that the Wikipedia logo was over there.
I just hope that in the future the process will be more transparent and
considers all sides of the matter. I hope no one were offended as I didn't
mean it this way, and if in anyway I could help I won't hesitate to step in.

I agree that it's not good that they have a hidden discussion forum; as much
> as possible of the discussion leading up to a new project should be public,
> and i can't see a reason for secrecy. Apart from that, though, I don't
> understand these (somewhat bitchy) comments at all...
>
> Mike
>
> On 25 Aug 2010, at 21:21, Mohamed Ibrahim wrote:
>
> > On 25 August 2010 23:01, Muhammad Yahia <shipmaster at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think it has been proven many times over now that the Language
> >>> Committee works in mysterious ways with little or no community
> >>> oversight or input, essentially a self-appointed committee of
> >>> "experts", mostly from similar linguistic backgrounds, handing down
> >>> judgements about the rest of the world's languages from their
> >>> overwhelmingly European ivory tower. It seems we as a community of
> >>> people who care deeply about the future of potential new languages and
> >>> the success of existing language versions within our Wikimedia
> >>> community have no choice but to watch from the sidelines as they do
> >>> what they please.
> >>>
> >>> -m.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> +1
> >>
> >> Add to that the fact that a portion of their discussion archives is
> >> deliberately hidden from the public as if they are debating state
> security
> >> issues. So even after a decision is taken, we only have a patchy view of
> >> the
> >> process that led to that decision.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Muhammad Yahia
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> >
> > I agree with what Muhammad and Mark has said
> > it's a pity that such resolutions that affect the whole community is
> > controlled like this..
> > resulting in such projects that really make Wikimedia looks like a host
> for
> > childish projects that's
> > written in a funny language never seen written before in
> > any respectable scientific book, website, etc..
> >
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