[Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis

[Ziko van Dijk]

I too prefer the order of the interwiki links to be alphabetical by
the language codes. This makes it easier to find interwiki's.
Sometimes for a new article I take over the interwiki's from en.WP,
also then it is better to have them in the same order they will have
in the other WP.
Ziko


2008/5/28 Jon <scream at datascreamer.com>:
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> Mark Williamson wrote:
>> Let me add that I think it's ridiculous to use the sorting order of
>> the Roman alphabet for languages that don't use it.
>>
>> I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting to sort people's languages
>> alphabetically according to the native names for the languages, but
>> there is no scheme for sorting all writing systems, rather, each
>> writing system has its own sorting order. It could very possibly be
>> counterintuitive for a speaker of Hebrew to find "עברית" between H and
>> J, instead they are expecting to find it between samech and peh. I'm
>> guessing that the second thought, when it's not there (because most of
>> the entries are in the Latin alphabet, so they can't look between
>> samech and peh), is to look for it under the "H" for "Hebrew" rather
>> than under the I for "Ivrit", but I could be wrong, this is just an
>> example.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> 2008/5/28 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>:
>>> I do think it's unacceptable that Interwiki bots go in and change the
>>> order of interwikis against the agreed-upon orders at each Wiki.
>>>
>>> I remember a while back, we agreed on en.wp to order interwiki links
>>> by code, and it seems that the bots never cared - ja: always came
>>> after nl: rather than after it:. I'm not sure if a different policy
>>> has been decided since then, but bots have always been oblivious, it
>>> seems.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> 2008/5/28 Kwan Ting Chan <ktc at ktchan.info>:
>>>> Hmm, it appears it didn't forward properly last time. Let's try again.
>>>>
>>>> KTC
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 03:55 +0300, White Cat wrote:
>>>>> We should require interwiki bot operators to
>>>>>
>>>>> Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize
>>>>> each and every bot policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
>>>>> Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or would that be unreasonable?
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like
>>>>> interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks.
>>>>> Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently.
>>>>> Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from
>>>>> such a standard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not
>>>>> referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative
>>>>> people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki
>>>>> bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only
>>>>> interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary
>>>>> bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be
>>>>> quite a challenge.
>>>>>
>>>>>      - White Cat
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>
> We could just not get wrapped around the axle about sorting interwiki
> links.  I don't think it is a large issue.  I can be convinced otherwise
> however.
>
>
> Best,
> Jon
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