[Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis

[Jon]

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Mark Williamson wrote:
> Let me add that I think it's ridiculous to use the sorting order of
> the Roman alphabet for languages that don't use it.
> 
> I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting to sort people's languages
> alphabetically according to the native names for the languages, but
> there is no scheme for sorting all writing systems, rather, each
> writing system has its own sorting order. It could very possibly be
> counterintuitive for a speaker of Hebrew to find "עברית" between H and
> J, instead they are expecting to find it between samech and peh. I'm
> guessing that the second thought, when it's not there (because most of
> the entries are in the Latin alphabet, so they can't look between
> samech and peh), is to look for it under the "H" for "Hebrew" rather
> than under the I for "Ivrit", but I could be wrong, this is just an
> example.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 2008/5/28 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>:
>> I do think it's unacceptable that Interwiki bots go in and change the
>> order of interwikis against the agreed-upon orders at each Wiki.
>>
>> I remember a while back, we agreed on en.wp to order interwiki links
>> by code, and it seems that the bots never cared - ja: always came
>> after nl: rather than after it:. I'm not sure if a different policy
>> has been decided since then, but bots have always been oblivious, it
>> seems.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> 2008/5/28 Kwan Ting Chan <ktc at ktchan.info>:
>>> Hmm, it appears it didn't forward properly last time. Let's try again.
>>>
>>> KTC
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 03:55 +0300, White Cat wrote:
>>>> We should require interwiki bot operators to
>>>>
>>>> Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize
>>>> each and every bot policy.
>>>>
>>>> Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
>>>> Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
>>>>
>>>> Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
>>>>
>>>> Or would that be unreasonable?
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like
>>>> interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
>>>>
>>>> The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks.
>>>> Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently.
>>>> Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from
>>>> such a standard.
>>>>
>>>> Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not
>>>> referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative
>>>> people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki
>>>> bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
>>>>
>>>> Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only
>>>> interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary
>>>> bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be
>>>> quite a challenge.
>>>>
>>>>      - White Cat
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We could just not get wrapped around the axle about sorting interwiki
links.  I don't think it is a large issue.  I can be convinced otherwise
however.


Best,
Jon
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