[Foundation-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] Bot policy for all wikis

[Mark Williamson]

Let me add that I think it's ridiculous to use the sorting order of
the Roman alphabet for languages that don't use it.

I can appreciate the sentiment of wanting to sort people's languages
alphabetically according to the native names for the languages, but
there is no scheme for sorting all writing systems, rather, each
writing system has its own sorting order. It could very possibly be
counterintuitive for a speaker of Hebrew to find "עברית" between H and
J, instead they are expecting to find it between samech and peh. I'm
guessing that the second thought, when it's not there (because most of
the entries are in the Latin alphabet, so they can't look between
samech and peh), is to look for it under the "H" for "Hebrew" rather
than under the I for "Ivrit", but I could be wrong, this is just an
example.

Mark

2008/5/28 Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com>:
> I do think it's unacceptable that Interwiki bots go in and change the
> order of interwikis against the agreed-upon orders at each Wiki.
>
> I remember a while back, we agreed on en.wp to order interwiki links
> by code, and it seems that the bots never cared - ja: always came
> after nl: rather than after it:. I'm not sure if a different policy
> has been decided since then, but bots have always been oblivious, it
> seems.
>
> Mark
>
> 2008/5/28 Kwan Ting Chan <ktc at ktchan.info>:
>> Hmm, it appears it didn't forward properly last time. Let's try again.
>>
>> KTC
>>
>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 03:55 +0300, White Cat wrote:
>>> We should require interwiki bot operators to
>>>
>>> Know each language they operate their bot so that they can read and memorize
>>> each and every bot policy.
>>>
>>> Expect them to watch and follow each and every talk page on every wiki.
>>> Require them to have 5-10 checks of these talk pages per day.
>>>
>>> Wait several years (for the wiki to grow) before getting a bot flag.
>>>
>>> Or would that be unreasonable?
>>>
>>> Perhaps a unified standard bot policy is needed for mindless tasks like
>>> interwiki linking, double redirect fixing and commons delinking.
>>>
>>> The interwiki bot policy would set the standard for these mindless tasks.
>>> Such a standard would let bot operators to operate more efficiently.
>>> Particularly the largest wikis and the smallest wikis are very aloof from
>>> such a standard.
>>>
>>> Very small wikis often have a mini dictatorship by a few users (not
>>> referancing anybody spesific). Such small wikis generally have cooperative
>>> people but sometimes the wikis regulars do not understand what interwiki
>>> bots and botflags are about and why such are necessary.
>>>
>>> Very large wikis often have overly complicated policies. For someone only
>>> interested in dealing with mindless bot tasks these pose an unnecessary
>>> bureaucracy. Due to the language barrier reading these policies alone can be
>>> quite a challenge.
>>>
>>>      - White Cat
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