[Foundation-l] Advertisements? (core principles and variablemild principles)

[Brian]

We've already got an open search engine.

On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Martin Pascal <pmartin at linterweb.com>
wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Probably you never heard of me but i am the french editor of the
> http://wikipediaondvd.com  and also of  http://wikiwix.com.
>
> We are helping also OLPC for the Wikipedia Selection.
>
> Wikiwix is one of meta search engine of all the project of the wikimedia
> fundation, it is available in 13 languages, and is integrated on the
> different languages.
>
> We are working to put it in all the 250 languages of the Wikipedia.
> http://www.wikiwix.com/langs.php?lang=fr&disp=article
>
> What about using our technology to improve search results  and as an
> opportunity to get some ads on Wikiwix ?
>
>
> We could make Wikiwix as on opensearch engine.
>
> Best regards
> Pascal Martin
>
> Cordialement
> Martin Pascal
> tel : 02 32 40 23 69, fax : 02 32 61 45 26
> gsm : 06 13 89 77 32
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Florence Devouard" <Anthere9 at yahoo.com>
> To: <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Advertisements? (core principles and
> variablemild principles)
>
>
> > Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >> Please define "our core principles". There are people vehemently
> against
> >> advertisements and there are many people cowered into silence. What has
> >> always been said and this is a good thing is that if it is not
> necessary
> >> to
> >> have advertisements, we will not. Equating no advertisements with core
> >> principles is ludicrous; it means that others may make money from our
> >> effort
> >> and we do not make the money we need for the activities we have
> planned,
> >> the
> >> costs that we incur...
> >
> > Given that advertisements we are discussing would be displayed on the
> > projects websites, I think that by "core principles", he means "core
> > principles of each project".
> >
> > "NPOV" is clearly a core principle, for Wikipedia
> > "Free licence" is clearly a core principle, for ALL projects
> > "No advertisment" is clearly not a core principle. It may be a
> > principle-by-precedence. I would call it a mild principle if you wish.
> >
> > Core principles on the english wikipedia:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_pillars_of_Wikipedia
> >
> > Note that core principles of each project can differ slightly.
> > Note that core principles within a project, between languages, might
> > even differ a bit as well. In particular for young projects.
> >
> > This might suggest that certain decisions might be taken for certain
> > projects, but not others.
> >
> > Hmmm, care for me to give an example ?
> >
> > Search system on en.wiki:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
> > (no reference to outside search engines. No advertisement)
> >
> > Search system on fr.wiki:
> > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
> > (several little known search systems are mentionned, which is a sort of
> > advertisement. However, display is pretty discreet).
> >
> > Search system on ja.wiki:
> > http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
> > (several search systems are boldly mentionned, with logo. Clear
> > advertisement for these huge rich search systems, without any bucks for
> > us. After all, Mozilla is making big bucks in putting a search system
> > for Google in Firefox. Here, we put a nice advertisement for Google for
> > free)
> >
> > What does it teach us ?
> >
> > 1. It is demonstration enough that advertisement is a mild principle.
> >
> > 2. It also reveals that there are many types of advertisement possible,
> > and that before taking a position for or against advertisement, it would
> > be a good idea to identify the various types of advertisement.
> > Typical examples are
> > * ads in article space
> > * ad for a search engine (in the search area)
> > * ads in the search results space
> > * thank you ad on the main page (for a sponsor)
> > * thank you ad on all pages (for a sponsor)
> > * etc...
> > I take it some will mostly meet opposition, whilst others could be
> > acceptable.
> >
> > 3. it is a demonstration that we are currently doing advertisement, and
> > not making bucks on it. And no one complains. So, what does bugs people
> > the most ? Doing advertisement ? Or doing advertisement and making money
> > of it ?
> >
> > 4. it also shows that each community might have a different perspective
> > on this. With naturally a general opinion (would english editors care if
> > we displayed advertisement on the japanese wikipedia ?)
> >
> > Ant
> >
> >
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